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« on: April 04, 2014, 05:00:24 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2014, 05:01:18 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 05:06:24 PM »
I can live with that. So should anyone be able to.

White collar crime gets excused far too often as being a "victimless" crime. It ain't.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2014, 05:10:02 PM »
I can live with that. So should anyone be able to.

White collar crime gets excused far too often as being a "victimless" crime. It ain't.

disagree completely.  white collar crime is economic and can be compensated for, and should be treated accordingly.  there's also the issue of culpability; this is a bad case on which to form general principles because of its egregiousness; in the much more typical case the blameworthiness of the individual involved is much more ambiguous, and often hinges on what would be considered negligence or gross negligence in the civil context.  Executing someone for economic crimes is outrageous.

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 05:32:41 PM »
white collar crime is economic and can be compensated for

True in theory but how often is that the case? Death for criminal bankers is a little over the top but add crooked lawyers and politicians in and I'll buy in

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 05:39:22 PM »
white collar crime is economic and can be compensated for

True in theory but how often is that the case? Death for criminal bankers is a little over the top but add crooked lawyers and politicians in and I'll buy in

then we should be consistent:  a kid who steals a pack of gum can't give that gum back if he's already chewed it, so we'd better be putting him to death as well.

And in the meantime, you might want to be a little careful about yourself.  You have almost certainly committed at least one federal felony in the past year, and depending on the line of work you're in, could easily get caught up in a white collar prosecution, even if you're wholly innocent.  And yes, it happens all the time:  the US attorney will find all the little fish he or she can, and start squeezing each one to see just how far their eyeballs will pop out.  The unlucky ones who can't fabricate enough "evidence" to satisfy the US atty get prosecuted themselves.

Do you want to be put to death because you were peripherally involved with a transaction that ended up being a white collar crime?

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2014, 05:51:21 PM »
Like I said, crooked bankers, attorneys and politicians. Kill em all. I'm in neither category so I'm safe for now

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 05:51:58 PM »
then we should be consistent:  a kid who steals a pack of gum can't give that gum back if he's already chewed it, so we'd better be putting him to death as well.

Nice try. A pack of gum is not in the same league.

The bankers we are discussing have stolen peoples time, their retirement hopes, their dreams. More importantly, their trust. Sounds a heck of a lot like murder or rape, put like that.

You should know - you work in an industry where trust is both in short supply and rarely granted. (Don't know how you do it, to be honest. It would kill me to work that environment.) Use a bank, you are trusting the bank with your third most precious possession after your life and your heart.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 09:06:55 PM »
Nice try. A pack of gum is not in the same league.

The bankers we are discussing have stolen peoples time, their retirement hopes, their dreams. More importantly, their trust. Sounds a heck of a lot like murder or rape, put like that.

You should know - you work in an industry where trust is both in short supply and rarely granted. (Don't know how you do it, to be honest. It would kill me to work that environment.) Use a bank, you are trusting the bank with your third most precious possession after your life and your heart.


I think you should spend some time reading through what really happens in the white collar crime grist mills before you get too comfy on that high horse of yours.  Go read this story - http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,134156.msg548867.html#msg548867 - and then ponder whether she deserves the death penalty.

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 09:12:03 PM »
I can live with that. So should anyone be able to.

White collar crime gets excused far too often as being a "victimless" crime. It ain't.

I totally agree.

Give some of those people what they deserve, let them pay the ultimate price, and banking will become much more civilized.

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 09:49:52 PM »
Oceander wrote above:
[[ Executing someone for economic crimes is outrageous. ]]

Apparently they don't think so in Vietnam or in China...

But hey -- all cultures are equal and none are superior to others, right ??

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 10:23:42 PM »

I think you should spend some time reading through what really happens in the white collar crime grist mills before you get too comfy on that high horse of yours.  Go read this story - http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,134156.msg548867.html#msg548867 - and then ponder whether she deserves the death penalty.

You are comparing chalk and cheese.

Whom, exactly, did she steal from? No one.
What did she steal? Nothing.
Was she guilty of bad judgement? Yep.
Was it any different from what anyone here does? Nope. If you are on the clock you should be wrking, not futzing about with personal emails or forum posts.

Now - point to a single person who was damaged by her actions. To me, that is the difference.
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