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NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« on: April 01, 2014, 08:28:22 PM »

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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 02:26:16 AM »
This will not last too long. Russia supplies natural gas to NATO countries. When they find their gas supplies dwindle it will a very cold winter.

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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 05:40:48 AM »
Without revenue that sales bring, natural gas is useless to Moscow. I doubt Putin would withhold that revenue stream from the market.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 05:43:23 AM »
Without revenue that sales bring, natural gas is useless to Moscow. I doubt Putin would withhold that revenue stream from the market.

I agree. He is just using the natural gas as a bargaining chip. Do as I say and will not cut off your natural gas supply. So far, the EU is falling into his trap.Even if Putin manages to cut off the natural gas supplies, the United States can pick up the slack. Australia has turned up huge deposits of untapped natural gas waiting to be fracked.
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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 02:32:07 PM »
Without revenue that sales bring, natural gas is useless to Moscow. I doubt Putin would withhold that revenue stream from the market.

exactly.  from what I've read, Putin is taking a pretty big gamble here on the assumption that when push comes to shove the Europeans will be more interested in preserving their natural gas supplies than in supporting NATO.  It's a big risk because Russia has become a petro-state and the loss of that revenue would be catastrophic.

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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 04:29:44 PM »
exactly.  from what I've read, Putin is taking a pretty big gamble here on the assumption that when push comes to shove the Europeans will be more interested in preserving their natural gas supplies than in supporting NATO.  It's a big risk because Russia has become a petro-state and the loss of that revenue would be catastrophic.

It's not that big a risk. Sure, the UK and Norway would be fine, but the North Sea fields don't produce nearly enough for Europe as a whole. Add in the fact that most of the distribution network in Europe is geared towards supplies from Russia and the French (and Italian) propensity for rioting and striking at the drop of a hat and it's a gamble I'd take if I were Putin.
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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 07:55:44 PM »
It's not that big a risk. Sure, the UK and Norway would be fine, but the North Sea fields don't produce nearly enough for Europe as a whole. Add in the fact that most of the distribution network in Europe is geared towards supplies from Russia and the French (and Italian) propensity for rioting and striking at the drop of a hat and it's a gamble I'd take if I were Putin.

It's a risk, but then nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I tend to agree that it was a risk worth taking, and I'm certainly a lot more risk-averse than V. Putin is.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 12:11:56 AM »
It's not that big a risk. Sure, the UK and Norway would be fine, but the North Sea fields don't produce nearly enough for Europe as a whole. Add in the fact that most of the distribution network in Europe is geared towards supplies from Russia and the French (and Italian) propensity for rioting and striking at the drop of a hat and it's a gamble I'd take if I were Putin.

Importation of LNG from the United States is the only way.

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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 01:29:14 AM »
Importation of LNG from the United States is the only way.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324789504578382472643241056

Not disagreeing, but I got one word for you: infrastructure.

Skip the fact there are physically not enough hulls to transport the amount of LNG needed. The Liberty ship program showed that the US can build tough as hell transports fast if they want to. There is still the problem of offloading.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 05:42:15 AM »
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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 06:02:01 AM »
EC,

You are incorrect. There are plenty of terminals to meet the needs as the map shows.







This is what an LNG Ship looks like.


Link to offloading LNG:http://www.bluewater.com/products-technology/lng-loading-offloading-systems/

You have the capacity.

We don't. Well, other than Cyprus and Italy.
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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 06:03:14 AM »
You have the capacity.

We don't. Well, other than Cyprus and Italy.

Anyways, Italy,UK Belgium,France,Italy,Greece,Netherlands,Portugal,Spain, and Turkey have terminals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LNG_terminals#Existing_regasification_terminals
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Re: NATO severs military, civilian ties with Russia
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 06:39:43 AM »
You have the capacity.

We don't. Well, other than Cyprus and Italy.

14 terminals seem enough for current needs


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