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Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:13:42 PM »

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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 10:20:24 PM »
Erickson's website is drifting more and more off the rails.

This is the stuff of kookiness.  Seriously.

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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 10:41:41 PM »
JFK conspiracy theorist points finger at LBJ
Michael Clancy, The Arizona Republic

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Zirbel makes the case that Johnson, and only Johnson, had the motive, the means and the opportunity to mount a conspiracy against the president.

The motive: political gain. There were political differences, personal issues, Johnson's involvement in several scandals and his desire to become president before he got too old.

The opportunity: Kennedy's visit to LBJ's home turf in Texas. Johnson and his associates controlled many of the trip's details.

The means: shots by multiple gunmen firing from the direction of the now infamous grassy knoll. Hired perhaps by Johnson associates in the oil business, who had ties to the Mafia, Zirbel insists, there were at least two shooters.

He also emphasizes that as president, Johnson had the means to block any serious investigation.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/21/jfk-conspiracy-theorist-points-finger-at-lbj/3660765/

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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 12:22:22 AM »
You  know what it really doesn't matter anymore. I just don't care. I didn't like Lyndon Johnson and he was a terrible president but he is dead. I do believe it could have been the mafia who had a hand in this and I really doubt it was a lone gunman. Many things have happened when it comes to corrupt politicians who want power and it seems many die due to them but there is not a lot we can do about it so I refuse to worry about it. I don't like it I don't think it is right but I also know it goes on and nothing is ever done about it. Look at the present president he is an illegal rotten to the core criminal and many know it but nothing is done.

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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 01:04:35 AM »
I go more for Occam's Razor.

There are insane people out there.
Insane people do irrational things.
Sometimes they get lucky.
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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 04:18:15 AM »
I go more for Occam's Razor.

There are insane people out there.
Insane people do irrational things.
Sometimes they get lucky.

Has a British PM ever been assassinated?  I can't think except the Guy Fawkes affair but wasn't that about all the Parliament?
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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2014, 04:45:01 AM »
Has a British PM ever been assassinated?  I can't think except the Guy Fawkes affair but wasn't that about all the Parliament?
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Spencer Percival was assassinated in 1812 - American involvement is suspected there for some odd reason.  :tongue2:.

Otherwise, no. Someone tried to kill Margaret Thatcher with a bomb, and John Major with a mortar attack (should have heard that, was less than half a mile away but it were a damned noisy class), but both failed - the Irish conspirators ran out of Guiness or something. Some Scots guy tried to assasinate PM Peel - which was the impetus for a national police force.

The Guy Fawkes thing was pretty complex. It was a shitty time to be Catholic and he and a few buddies got the idea that blowing up the entire system might have some effect. He was a suicide bomber - there wasn't a hope in hell he could make it out in time. He was caught, the gunpowder was removed from the cellars of parliament and he was removed from his head, courtesy of a sharp axe.
Every year, we celebrate it. 5th of November. No one is sure if we are celebrating the failure of the plot or the idea of blowing Parliament up.
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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2014, 09:49:02 AM »
  There was and is something fishy with the killing . Why archive the evidence for 75 years if there is nothing to hide ? I'll never live to see the truth but you can bet money there was a conspiracy.
   I've studied this quite extensively since 1966 when I had a choice of topic for discussion in a class. The one fact that gnaws at me the most is the the conflicting time allotment to fire the rifle . It has gone from 3.3 seconds (the condensed Warren commission report ) to 7.3 seconds on the latest "final" fact finding assessment on TV. 
  I'm in the middle of reading Larry Sabato's "The Kennedy half century". I doubt I'll learn anything of significance .
   There is and was a plot . Take your choice who was the one . Castro? Khrushchev? LBJ? Only time will tell. Two shooters ?

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Re: Emerging Consensus that LBJ Killed JFK?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 10:03:22 AM »
The means: shots by multiple gunmen firing from the direction of the now infamous grassy knoll. Hired perhaps by Johnson associates in the oil business, who had ties to the Mafia, Zirbel insists, there were at least two shooters...

There is not one shred of hard evidence of a second shooter.  The only bullets ever recovered from the crime scene -- the most thoroughly examined crime scene in history -- came from Oswald's gun.  Much as people want to believe in conspiracies, I conclude the opposite of what Red State concludes.  All of the evidence of conspiracy has pretty much been debunked.  The only theory that has stood the test of time is the single bullet theory.  Oswald was the only shooter.

I remain open to the possibility of a wider conspiracy based on Oswald's seedy connections and Ruby's curious hit after the fact.  But the evidence in this direction is circumstantial and Occam's Razor may well yield the truth of the matter. 
« Last Edit: April 01, 2014, 10:03:52 AM by massadvj »
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