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« on: March 29, 2014, 12:40:24 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 12:48:16 PM »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 12:56:25 PM »
Just remember this:  control of the Senate and of the House, including control of which bills are brought up for a vote and which amendments are allowed, and the assignment of committees, it based on how many Ds and how many Rs there are in each house - the letter with the bigger number wins.

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2014, 01:00:50 PM »
Now if the established republicans that are having a high end meeting off the coast of Florida would realize the same exact thing. We would all have one less enemy.

It was FreedomWorks, Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action that started this war against fellow Republicans when Matt Kibbe decided to clean out anyone who doesn't live up to his purity standards. 

The "high end meeting" is in response to those who want, for a third time, to screw up the opportunity to capture the Senate. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2014, 01:15:54 PM »
It was FreedomWorks, Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action that started this war against fellow Republicans when Matt Kibbe decided to clean out anyone who doesn't live up to his purity standards. 

The "high end meeting" is in response to those who want, for a third time, to screw up the opportunity to capture the Senate.

I suppose you think conservatives should get excited about Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc..  Might as well elect democrats for all the good they do the conservatives.  Some of them have spent two-three decades in powerful positions and our country is still going down the drain.  NOTHING ever gets done!
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2014, 01:29:28 PM »
I suppose you think conservatives should get excited about Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc..  Might as well elect democrats for all the good they do the conservatives.  Some of them have spent two-three decades in powerful positions and our country is still going down the drain.  NOTHING ever gets done!

You don't have to get "excited" about any politician.  I know I don't;  I despise almost every one of them.

But who's going to do the least damage?  That's the unfortunate choice that faces a country where 47% of Americans receive some government assistance and half the country supports that kind of set-up. 

When all the primaries are through, these Tea party types better not pull what they pulled with Mitt Romney in these Senate elections. If they do, to hell with them.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 04:06:50 PM »
I suppose you think conservatives should get excited about Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc..  Might as well elect democrats for all the good they do the conservatives.  Some of them have spent two-three decades in powerful positions and our country is still going down the drain.  NOTHING ever gets done!

Your definition of power leaves a lot to be desired. A minority position in Congress is not power. And it's even less power when the President is of the opposite party.
You are suggesting that giving more power to the dims is a better idea than giving some power to the GOP. That's self defeating - you'll never get anything you want that way. Taking away some of their power is definitely progress, unless you want more things done like 0bamacare, which is what the dims will do.

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 04:17:07 PM »
I suppose you think conservatives should get excited about Mitch McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCain, Graham, etc..  Might as well elect democrats for all the good they do the conservatives.  Some of them have spent two-three decades in powerful positions and our country is still going down the drain.  NOTHING ever gets done!
Have you compared how those representatives voted, as opposed to how a typical democrat in the same state votes?

ACU rating is a good guide. Empirical data is better than emotion. But I notice "true conservatives" thrive on emotion.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 04:20:06 PM »
Your definition of power leaves a lot to be desired. A minority position in Congress is not power. And it's even less power when the President is of the opposite party.
You are suggesting that giving more power to the dims is a better idea than giving some power to the GOP. That's self defeating - you'll never get anything you want that way. Taking away some of their power is definitely progress, unless you want more things done like 0bamacare, which is what the dims will do.

You're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.  I'm not suggesting giving more power to the democrats. I say we might as well give it to them if it means giving it to the same old republican fossils that have helped put our country is the mess we're in now.
After all, Congress holds the purse strings but you'd never know it by their actions.
We need to get rid of the same old Washington elites that think of themselves as royalty and elect new people to fight the battles that need to be fought. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2014, 04:29:37 PM »
You're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.  I'm not suggesting giving more power to the democrats. I say we might as well give it to them if it means giving it to the same old republican fossils that have helped put our country is the mess we're in now.
After all, Congress holds the purse strings but you'd never know it by their actions.
We need to get rid of the same old Washington elites that think of themselves as royalty and elect new people to fight the battles that need to be fought.

You're repeating the same thought. Congress might hold the purse strings (although 0bama has shown there are ways around that), but it's the majority party that holds those strings. The GOP has not had power in the Senate since 2006. The "same old Washington elites" are Democrats. We need to take their power away.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2014, 04:35:10 PM »
Have you compared how those representatives voted, as opposed to how a typical democrat in the same state votes?

ACU rating is a good guide. Empirical data is better than emotion. But I notice "true conservatives" thrive on emotion.

The 'guide' I am going by is the one that shows republicans redistricting Allen West so he goes away. Or is it just a coincidence that all those with tea party voices,speaking out are all called wacko birds and railroaded to go away? They want Cruz gone so bad they can taste it. They railroaded a man elected because of the tea party (Rubio) into not joining the tea party caucus upon arrival. Why? They want the power, they won't retire and they obviously like the status quo. There is a majority of people that do not like the status quo. (SEE CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL RATINGS) This is a reflection of Boehner and his backyard gang. And the only way to fight it, is to run someone to make them retire.
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2014, 04:39:53 PM »
You're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.  I'm not suggesting giving more power to the democrats. I say we might as well give it to them if it means giving it to the same old republican fossils that have helped put our country is the mess we're in now.
After all, Congress holds the purse strings but you'd never know it by their actions.
We need to get rid of the same old Washington elites that think of themselves as royalty and elect new people to fight the battles that need to be fought.
How did you feel about the loss of seats in Delaware, Nevada, Missouri, Indiana etc. when the "true conservatives" messed up big-time ?

Does it give an emotional charge, greater than the actual loss? I say place reason over emotion.

Try to practice holding two conflicting ideas in mid, at once.

My elected representatives aren't their for me to like them personally. They are there to vote on measures.

If Republicans keep chipping away at their own, they weaken them. Is that wise?

The choice was McCain or Obama. Why waste endless resources, time, words bemoaning what a horrible fellow McCain is?

So called conservative Republicans are just about the most stupid people some times.

Quit expecting elected representatives to be like professional entertainers.

 
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2014, 04:43:35 PM »
The 'guide' I am going by is the one that shows republicans redistricting Allen West so he goes away. Or is it just a coincidence that all those with tea party voices,speaking out are all called wacko birds and railroaded to go away? They want Cruz gone so bad they can taste it. They railroaded a man elected because of the tea party (Rubio) into not joining the tea party caucus upon arrival. Why? They want the power, they won't retire and they obviously like the status quo. There is a majority of people that do not like the status quo. (SEE CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL RATINGS) This is a reflection of Boehner and his backyard gang. And the only way to fight it, is to run someone to make them retire.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2014, 05:13:25 PM »
The 'guide' I am going by is the one that shows republicans redistricting Allen West so he goes away. Or is it just a coincidence that all those with tea party voices,speaking out are all called wacko birds and railroaded to go away? They want Cruz gone so bad they can taste it. They railroaded a man elected because of the tea party (Rubio) into not joining the tea party caucus upon arrival. Why? They want the power, they won't retire and they obviously like the status quo. There is a majority of people that do not like the status quo. (SEE CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL RATINGS) This is a reflection of Boehner and his backyard gang. And the only way to fight it, is to run someone to make them retire.

All I know about West is he lost his election. He's too extreme for most districts in the country. Period.

Tea Party is a narrow but deep and loud segment. Declining approval, increasing disapproval. Reason?

Probably reasons include supporting some whackos. And shifting from their initial non-social issue emphasis to more social issues.

Losers Akins, Angle, Buck, Cucinelli, Mourdock, O'Donnell had one thing in common; support for outlawing abortion even in cases of rape.

That position is very unpopular. If the Tea Party is dominated by people with very unpopular policy positions, expect to lose. Expect to decline in approval, and increase in disapproval, just as several polls over the past year indicate.

The TP failed to organize, beyond a few professional fundraising entities. Those entities function JUST like Rove. They get commissions of money raised, and again on advertising placements.

So it pays them well, to cater to their narrow, but deep and loud little constituency.

The Tea Party started with tremendous potential, but let it slip away. It wasn't started by amateur grass roots activists, but rather by pros like Armey and Gingrich.

The second rate leaders of the movement don't have the discipline to weed out the crackpots from their roster of candidates.

It works for them, since the narrow, deep and loud segment sends their money even for crackpots, and they get paid for raising the money and again for placing the ads.

It takes political skill, experience and discipline to support candidates effectively. The TP needs more of those qualities, plus more money.

By this stage they would have had those ingredients, if they hadn't blown it.

Kibbe and Kremer and Demint are taking your money and laughing all the way to the bank.

Sure they will win a few, but waste a lot of energy, money and credibility on losing causes. But that will keep the donations flowing. And commissions too.

My congressman is very conservative. He has decided to NOT label himself "tea party" because it would harm him more than help him.

Try getting your head around that idea. Tea Party is a negative label, overall. Maybe Rubio wised up politically.

The whole thing reminds me of the original "Saturday Night Live" and their "Not quite ready for prime time players."

O'Donnell "I'm not a witch" should be the mascot.

It is a fantastical illusion and delusion that the entire political system in this country is going to be turned upside down by "we the people" any time soon.

Not with the caliber and calibrations of candidates and leaders in the movement today.

   
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2014, 05:35:03 PM »
All I know about West is he lost his election. He's too extreme for most districts in the country. Period.

Tea Party is a narrow but deep and loud segment. Declining approval, increasing disapproval. Reason?

Probably reasons include supporting some whackos. And shifting from their initial non-social issue emphasis to more social issues.

Losers Akins, Angle, Buck, Cucinelli, Mourdock, O'Donnell had one thing in common; support for outlawing abortion even in cases of rape.

That position is very unpopular. If the Tea Party is dominated by people with very unpopular policy positions, expect to lose. Expect to decline in approval, and increase in disapproval, just as several polls over the past year indicate.

The TP failed to organize, beyond a few professional fundraising entities. Those entities function JUST like Rove. They get commissions of money raised, and again on advertising placements.

So it pays them well, to cater to their narrow, but deep and loud little constituency.

The Tea Party started with tremendous potential, but let it slip away. It wasn't started by amateur grass roots activists, but rather by pros like Armey and Gingrich.

The second rate leaders of the movement don't have the discipline to weed out the crackpots from their roster of candidates.

It works for them, since the narrow, deep and loud segment sends their money even for crackpots, and they get paid for raising the money and again for placing the ads.

It takes political skill, experience and discipline to support candidates effectively. The TP needs more of those qualities, plus more money.

By this stage they would have had those ingredients, if they hadn't blown it.

Kibbe and Kremer and Demint are taking your money and laughing all the way to the bank.

Sure they will win a few, but waste a lot of energy, money and credibility on losing causes. But that will keep the donations flowing. And commissions too.

My congressman is very conservative. He has decided to NOT label himself "tea party" because it would harm him more than help him.

Try getting your head around that idea. Tea Party is a negative label, overall. Maybe Rubio wised up politically.

The whole thing reminds me of the original "Saturday Night Live" and their "Not quite ready for prime time players."

O'Donnell "I'm not a witch" should be the mascot.

It is a fantastical illusion and delusion that the entire political system in this country is going to be turned upside down by "we the people" any time soon.

Not with the caliber and calibrations of candidates and leaders in the movement today.

 

2010 shows the success of the tea party. They were so successful the tea party and conservatives were targeted by the IRS.

Defining the tea party as, I am not a witch O"Donnell is not accurate.

Who is your Senator that runs from the tea party name?
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2014, 05:55:03 PM »
2010 shows the success of the tea party. They were so successful the tea party and conservatives were targeted by the IRS.

Defining the tea party as, I am not a witch O"Donnell is not accurate.

Who is your Senator that runs from the tea party name?
My House Rep. is Oceander Rohrabacher, who was TP before there was a TP. He elects to not align with the movement.

I have discussed it with his staff. Oceander can't come out and say "the TP is..." this or that. But he has not aligned themselves in the House TP Caucus.

That caucus is about 20% of the GOP members, and NOT growing. And a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since 2010 in regard to this situation.

This is here and now, and the TP movement is losing approval.

Why? Another reason might be voters, see the principle enemy as the democrats, not other Republicans. A little dose of common sense and reality which is not on the TP radar screen.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2014, 07:31:38 AM »
My House Rep. is Oceander Rohrabacher, who was TP before there was a TP. He elects to not align with the movement.

I have discussed it with his staff. Oceander can't come out and say "the TP is..." this or that. But he has not aligned themselves in the House TP Caucus.

That caucus is about 20% of the GOP members, and NOT growing. And a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since 2010 in regard to this situation.

This is here and now, and the TP movement is losing approval.

Why? Another reason might be voters, see the principle enemy as the democrats, not other Republicans. A little dose of common sense and reality which is not on the TP radar screen.

Tit for tat. I happen to think the GOP established cronies have no sense of reality. They have no clue that their approval rating is so low because both political parties despise their way of doing business.  They are so PC that they cower to the inept dems and line their wallets doing so. They need to do their jobs as serving us- not their bank accounts, their lobbyists and runaway spending. As far as lack of common sense. The only sense the established GOPers have, is the sense to bank their paycheck while they live off their slush funds and get their car notes paid for by us. They have no sense of reality of what it is like to live in this horrific economy nor do they care about anything but yielding power over the people not for the people.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2014, 07:32:40 AM by Gazoo »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?


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