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Offline pjohns

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What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« on: March 27, 2014, 09:45:18 PM »

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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 11:11:50 PM »
You can take the Ruski out of the Cold War but you can't take the Cold War out of the Ruski.

Putin is going to do whatever he wants, and he will justify every move with popular opinion.  There is nothing Obama is willing to do to stop him so Putin will continue unimpeded.


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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 11:14:24 PM »
You can take the Ruski out of the Cold War but you can't take the Cold War out of the Ruski.

Putin is going to do whatever he wants, and he will justify every move with popular opinion.  There is nothing Obama is willing to do to stop him so Putin will continue unimpeded.



I hate to agree, but I agree.  I also think that Obama's dismissals of Russia as a weak country are doubly stupid because to the extent Putin is worried about a weak Russian economy he is likely to become more aggressive, not less, if for no other reason than to keep ordinary Russians distracted and have a perfectly good excuse for why the economy isn't doing well.

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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 11:26:14 PM »
As long as the Russians have nukes, NATO would likely do nothing unless Russia attacked Germany.

If we had a President who had the gonads to actually order those launch keys turned, Putin would be hesitant to risk that level of escalation.

The bozo in the White House would probably refuse to give the order and let the US eat a nuclear strike.
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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 11:30:14 PM »
As long as the Russians have nukes, NATO would likely do nothing unless Russia attacked Germany.

If we had a President who had the gonads to actually order those launch keys turned, Putin would be hesitant to risk that level of escalation.

The bozo in the White House would probably refuse to give the order and let the US eat a nuclear strike.

I don't think Putin would launch nukes at the US; he'd be more likely to launch at the rest of Europe.

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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 11:45:36 PM »
I don't think Putin would launch nukes at the US; he'd be more likely to launch at the rest of Europe.

The French and the British have them too, and despite how much we joke about the French, they would not hesitate the fire right back.  France actually has the third largest nuclear arsenal after the US and Russia.  Not only do they have SLBMs, but their air force and navy still have strike aircraft which can launch nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 11:47:50 PM »
The French and the British have them too, and despite how much we joke about the French, they would not hesitate the fire right back.  France actually has the third largest nuclear arsenal after the US and Russia.  Not only do they have SLBMs, but their air force and navy still have strike aircraft which can launch nuclear tipped cruise missiles.

So where are those aggressive French right now?  Also, if France is known to be aggressive, they will get obliterated first, before they have a chance to try and shoot back.  Putin is as ruthless as monsieur Hollande and the other "leaders" of the NATO countries are clueless.

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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 11:52:57 PM »
I don't think Putin would launch nukes at the US; he'd be more likely to launch at the rest of Europe.

NATO is more than Obama, and his 2.5 years remaining tenure.

To the best of my knowledge, USSR or Russia has never attacked a NATO member country.

The combined population of NATO member states is over four times the population of Russia.

Obama acts like a schoolyard punk, calling Russia a "regional power," a personal insult to Putin.
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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 12:01:09 AM »
NATO is more than Obama, and his 2.5 years remaining tenure.

To the best of my knowledge, USSR or Russia has never attacked a NATO member country.

The combined population of NATO member states is over four times the population of Russia.

Obama acts like a schoolyard punk, calling Russia a "regional power," a personal insult to Putin.

Obviously.

But that was then, and this is now.

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Re: What happens if Putin pushes into a NATO country?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 01:52:18 AM »
So where are those aggressive French right now?  Also, if France is known to be aggressive, they will get obliterated first, before they have a chance to try and shoot back.  Putin is as ruthless as monsieur Hollande and the other "leaders" of the NATO countries are clueless.

They are training. You don't think French forces are in CAR and Mali out of the goodness of their hearts, do you? The best way to learn war is the same as the best way to learn piano. Practice. Right now the French are practicing. They don't go much for high tech solutions, preferring the more direct approach. They learned that the hard way in the course of a thousand years of warfare.

Much has been made recently about the French building a state of the art warship for the Russians. It is indeed state of the art. Do you want to make a minor bet that they can't shut it down with a single key press?
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