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BS! If we can't protect our children, then what is our purpose on earth?

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BS! If we can't protect our children, then what is our purpose on earth?

Exactly.

'Cultural difference" my ass. This SOB deserves to be put down. Simple as that.
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A bullet behind the left ear would certainly begin to change "the culture".    :whistle:
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BS! If we can't protect our children, then what is our purpose on earth?

Nailed it. The Magistrate is an ass.

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I'm reallllllly suspicious of judges that go light on child molesters.  Makes me wonder what's on their browsing history.   :chairbang:

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How in the heck did this world spawn so many imbeciles?
Do we actually have a culture that thinks it's OK to molest children as a common occurrence?

Why would we let any of them in the United States, much less, try to "understand their culture?"
Wouldn't it be better if they'd try to understand ours?
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This is so much bullsh*t.

I can't believe supposedly enlightened, "progressive" people - not you folks, but the Australian judges - would accept it so willingly.

Under Islam - yes, I checked - rape is a crime, as is assault, kidnapping, etc.  Generally, rape is punishable by whatever punishment happens to be provided for under applicable law - i.e., the secular (read non-sharia) law of the place with jurisdiction over the offender and offense - which means that if a muslim rapes a woman in a country that makes rape a crime and imposes punishment, then Islam itself says that punishment is appropriate and, by implication, a muslim must accept that punishment as the will of God.  In certain circumstances, however, punishing the rapist with death becomes mandatory under Islam.  This is the case when four witnesses can attest in the same words to the fact that the accused raped the victim.

In other words, this Afghani piece of sh*t - if he really is a practicing muslim as he claims - knows full well that rape (and kidnapping, and lewdness) is a sin and that Islam specifically allows him to be punished if the law of the country he's in makes rape criminal.

His so-called "defense" amounts to one of two things:

(1) a claim that he was ignorant of Australian law as it pertains to rape, and thus believed that under Islam he wouldn't suffer any punishment for rape, or

(2) a claim that because Afghanistan does not routinely enforce either the islamic rules (i.e., sharia) against rape, and does not routinely enforce its own secular laws against rape, that he thought that rape was generally not a punishable act.

Both claims are bullsh*t because under both Australian law and Islamic law, ignorance of the law is no excuse; under Islam there is an additional requirement that ignorance be the result of negligence (and that negligence is presumed to exist until the accused rebuts it) - which is to say, in this context, that this POS should have checked to see if rape was permissible under Australian law before he went and tried to rape kids.

Which means that his "defense" amounts to saying "well they don't enforce the rape laws in Afghanistan so it was reasonable for me to assume, without checking, that they wouldn't enforce any rape laws in Australia either."  That may be true, but it doesn't negate the fact that he knew, or ought to have known - is presumed to have known - that rape was illegal and that therefore he can at most be said to have been willing to take the risk that he would be prosecuted because he mistakenly believed that the risk of prosecution was low.  The only basis on which that might be a defense would be the defense of desuetude - that the law on rape has not been enforced for such a long time that in equity and good conscience it should not be enforced against the accused who raises the defense.  However, that defense is looked on with incredible skepticism and, generally speaking, the accused would have to show that the law had not been enforced for many, many, many years, certainly for more years than the accused has been alive.  That simply cannot be the case here because the rape laws in Australia are routinely enforced and any ignorance of that fact would have to be willful blindness because the newspapers, radios, street talk, etc, routinely convey to the general public that the rape laws are enforced.

Ergo, his claimed "defense" fails on all particular grounds, including the so-called "cultural differences" rule:  Islam itself makes rape illegal - punishable by death in some cases - and an offender may be punished if applicable local law provides for such punishment, and therefore the accused, as a muslim, cannot reasonably claim to have not known that rape was illegal - it was under the very terms of his own culture! - and the claim that he thought it was ok because the laws in Afghanistan against rape aren't enforced (a) cannot raise a defense of desuetude against Australian law, and (b) cannot even form the basis of a reasonable mistake of fact defense because he could not have been ignorant of the fact that Australia routinely criminally prosecutes rapists and would-be rapists unless he was willfully blind to that fact, and willful blindness vitiates any mistake of fact defense - under both Australian law and Islam.

Conclusion:  this judge - and all other judges (including at least one in Pennsylvania) who buy this argument - are wrong, either through ignorance, lack of research, or willfulness.  This POS had no defense for his actions and any conviction would have been proper.

QED
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Olivia - if I knew, I'd tell you. Just don't know.

The cultural thing is bullshit. Rape is a crime in Islam. Full stop. Two of his victims were boys - a serious crime under Sharia. Don't think that most Muslims don't love, cherish and protect their kids - they do. Vigorously. You got a judge that is afraid of making waves, and a perp that walks due to cowardice.

Fake edit - What O said.
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Olivia - if I knew, I'd tell you. Just don't know.

The cultural thing is bullshit. Rape is a crime in Islam. Full stop. Two of his victims were boys - a serious crime under Sharia. Don't think that most Muslims don't love, cherish and protect their kids - they do. Vigorously. You got a judge that is afraid of making waves, and a perp that walks due to cowardice.

Fake edit - What O said.
I do believe that you nailed it from half court, brother! Nice!
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You toss him into a sea bag and take him for a ride out to the "Never Never".  Let him walk his way out.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Better yet....toss his ass into a Marine Corps Brig. Problem solved.
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

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I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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Better yet....toss his ass into a Marine Corps Brig. Problem solved.

And let him share his "accommodations" with a pig or two.
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And let him share his "accommodations" with a pig or two.

I imagine that he would be praying for a pig for a cell-mate in a New York minute...just prior to meeting his 72 virgins.
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I imagine that he would be praying for a pig for a cell-mate in a New York minute...just prior to meeting his 72 virgins.

No virgins for him. I like that thought. He committed evil, and not in the sanctioned course of jihad. Abalisah owns him.

Not that their version of Satan is much. He's more an imp than anything else - still, imps can be annoying if you have them for eternity.
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No virgins for him. I like that thought. He committed evil, and not in the sanctioned course of jihad. Abalisah owns him.

Not that their version of Satan is much. He's more an imp than anything else - still, imps can be annoying if you have them for eternity.

Like Harry Reid?
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I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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Like Harry Reid?

That totally cracked me up when it came up on the feed!

 :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Nicely played.
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I imagine that he would be praying for a pig for a cell-mate in a New York minute...just prior to meeting his 72 virgins.

indeed.  child abusers are not exactly popular amongst the general population.

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BS! If we can't protect our children, then what is our purpose on earth?

This is an Australian problem, and they have done this to themselves. 


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I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery.  But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes:  If you bleep with me, I'll kill you all.

Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders (Note: Mattis did NOT say "BLEEP". He threw the F Bomb)

I didn't enlist in the Corps just to watch my country become a Third World Communist Shit-hole. Don't know anyone who did.

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