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« on: March 20, 2014, 12:16:08 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 12:31:26 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 01:39:47 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2014, 01:46:57 PM »
Rand Paul is a very astute politician.  I would have no problem voting for him for president in 2016. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 02:17:33 PM »
Rand Paul is a very astute politician.  I would have no problem voting for him for president in 2016. 

Rand Paul's political outlook is exactly what small government, low tax, balance-the-budget conservatives say they crave. Yet, you watch. They'll slam him for his libertarian social and foreign policy stances. As conservatives and Republicans we wouldn't recognize a good constitutionalist politician if he were wearing a waistcoat, breeches, long stockings and a tri-corner hat!
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 02:30:06 PM »
Rand Paul's political outlook is exactly what small government, low tax, balance-the-budget conservatives say they crave. Yet, you watch. They'll slam him for his libertarian social and foreign policy stances. As conservatives and Republicans we wouldn't recognize a good constitutionalist politician if he were wearing a waistcoat, breeches, long stockings and a tri-corner hat!

Hate to say it, but you're probably right.  I can hear the naysayers on TOS now....
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 02:52:24 PM »
Rand Paul's political outlook is exactly what small government, low tax, balance-the-budget conservatives say they crave. Yet, you watch. They'll slam him for his libertarian social and foreign policy stances. As conservatives and Republicans we wouldn't recognize a good constitutionalist politician if he were wearing a waistcoat, breeches, long stockings and a tri-corner hat!

If a good constitutionalist politician is Ron Paul thats when I abandon any libertarian ideals.

Ron Paul is for complete isolationism and he thinks 911 was an inside job. He was a nutcase at the debates and appealed more to the left-minded folks. How far from the tree does the nut fall?

I will very wisely wait until Rand is vetted more. If for no other reason to make sure he is not backed by a liberal superpac or has the same foreign policy as a liberal. What are his views on shutting down GTMO? War? Water-boarding/ interrogation of enemy combatants? He has said he is pro-life and libertarians are not upset by this. But I wonder if he is just appeasing conservatives, libertarians, or both? Libertarian is the new cool but is it nothing but liberalism wrapped into an appealing package?

I will wait for the debates but I hope Rand is not his fathers carbon copy fooling us.

p.s. and no, I am not a neo-con but todays geo-politics shows us lliberalism/libertarianism foreign policy does not work. I am also not a socon according to todays standards.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 03:02:27 PM »

Ever since he began running for office, Rand Paul has been publicly contrasted with his former congressman father. Below are 8 ways Rand Paul is different from Ron Paul:

8-ways-rand-paul-is-different-from-ron-paul
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 03:07:01 PM »
If a good constitutionalist politician is Ron Paul thats when I abandon any libertarian ideals.

Ron Paul is for complete isolationism and he thinks 911 was an inside job. He was a nutcase at the debates and appealed more to the left-minded folks. How far from the tree does the nut fall?

I will very wisely wait until Rand is vetted more. If for no other reason to make sure he is not backed by a liberal superpac or has the same foreign policy as a liberal. What are his views on shutting down GTMO? War? Water-boarding/ interrogation of enemy combatants? He has said he is pro-life and libertarians are not upset by this. But I wonder if he is just appeasing conservatives, libertarians, or both? Libertarian is the new cool but is it nothing but liberalism wrapped into an appealing package?

I will wait for the debates but I hope Rand is not his fathers carbon copy fooling us.

p.s. and no, I am not a neo-con but todays geo-politics shows us lliberalism/libertarianism foreign policy does not work. I am also not a socon according to todays standards.

Rand Paul:

"I am 100% pro-life. I believe life begins at conception and that abortion takes the life of an innocent human being. It is the duty of our government to protect this life as a right guaranteed under the Constitution. For this reason, I introduced S. 583, the Life at Conception Act on March 14, 2013. This bill would extend the Constitutional protection of life to the unborn from the time of conception."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=3

Both Rand Paul and his father are staunchly pro-life.  They are libertarians with a small "l", not a capital "L".  I don't know the Libertarian party stance on abortion.  I consider myself a libertarian because I believe in the rights of the individual - including the unborn individual.  Many libertarians I know feel the same way.
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 03:09:55 PM »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 03:18:46 PM »
Not to be Debbie downer but why is Rand backing McConnell? If it is purely political to bridge a divide I GET IT. But if it is because McConnell has his or his fathers old trouble-making campaign manager. This is what we are fighting against, BS politics cronyism backdoor deals. Are the many rumors true or false that Ron Paul was Soros funded? Now you see my concerns even further... Is Rand what we think he is or a Ross Perot at the front of the line?
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 03:23:41 PM »
Not trying to spam or hijack this thread, but I see people raise questions all the time about Rand Paul's stance on foreign affairs.  This is his statement from the same website I previously linked to:


Foreign Policy and National Defense

"One of the most significant issues we deal with in the United States Senate is foreign policy. And in my opinion, one of the most important votes a Senator could take is on the declaration of war to send our men and women of the Armed Forces into battle. If the military action is justified and there is no other recourse, I will cast my vote with a heavy heart.

I believe that the primary Constitutional function of the federal government is national defense, bar none. I believe that when we must go to war, we must have a Congressional declaration of war as the Constitution mandates, and we fight to win. And we must fight only under U.S. command and not the UN.

I believe that defending this country is the primary and most important Constitutional function of our federal government.

The President of the United States often faces unforeseeable dilemmas that demand tough decisions based on reliable intelligence. The recent events in Syria presented President Obama with such a scenario. But how our Commander in Chief chose to handle this new dilemma raises serious questions about his understanding of constitutional checks and balances.

The Founding Fathers understood the seriousness of war and thus included in our Constitution a provision stating that only Congress can declare war. The decision to wage war should not be taken cavalierly. As Madison wrote:

The Constitution supposes what the history of all Governments demonstrates, that the executive is the branch of power most interested in war and most prone to it. It has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war in the Legislature.

While the President is the commander of our armed forces, he is not a king. He may involve those forces in military conflict only when authorized by Congress or in response to an imminent threat.

We are borrowing money from countries like China to pay for our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and it would be interesting to know how many Americans believe we should continue borrowing money and saddling future generations with debt to pay for our current actions in Syria, or anywhere else a new military adventure is taken up.

We are already in two wars that we are not paying for. We are waging war across the Middle East on a credit card, one whose limit is rapidly approaching. And to involve our troops in further conflicts that hold no vital U.S. interests is wrong."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=14

This website has many other statements by Rand Paul about where he stands on the issues.  If anyone has questions about him, this is a good place to start   :patriot:
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 03:29:01 PM »
Thanks for that, alice. It's nice in our busy lives to have a place for quick reference.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 03:29:12 PM »
Not to be Debbie downer but why is Rand backing McConnell? If it is purely political to bridge a divide I GET IT. But if it is because McConnell has his or his fathers old trouble-making campaign manager. This is what we are fighting against, BS politics cronyism backdoor deals. Are the many rumors true or false that Ron Paul was Soros funded? Now you see my concerns even further... Is Rand what we think he is or a Ross Perot at the front of the line?

I'm not happy about the endorsement either.  As you say - a political decision to bridge a divide - I think that is the way Rand Paul thinks.  I guess that's why Rick Perry endorsed McConnell too.  I would rather see both men call a spade a spade.  I think Rand Paul is thinking of the support he is going to need from many different factions if he runs for president.  I don't know about Soros and Ron Paul.  I DO know that Rand Paul is his own man, and speaks his own mind.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 03:29:32 PM »
Thanks Alice.  :beer:
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2014, 03:32:29 PM »
I'm not happy about the endorsement either.  As you say - a political decision to bridge a divide - I think that is the way Rand Paul thinks.  I guess that's why Rick Perry endorsed McConnell too.  I would rather see both men call a spade a spade.  I think Rand Paul is thinking of the support he is going to need from many different factions if he runs for president.  I don't know about Soros and Ron Paul.  I DO know that Rand Paul is his own man, and speaks his own mind.

Thanks again  ^-^ :beer:

I recall hearing Rand Paul speak when he was first coming on to the scene. He is brilliant.
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"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2014, 03:34:03 PM »
Thanks Alice.  :beer:

Thank you Gazoo, you do good work here with your postings & I appreciate it. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 03:35:07 PM »
I second that.  :patriot:
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2014, 03:36:04 PM »
I have to say I sang, GO ASK ALICE to myself in this thread. And we are living in koo-koo LSD land so it is appropriate.  :silly:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2EcWkb26I" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2EcWkb26I</a>
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2014, 03:40:50 PM »
I have to say I sang, GO ASK ALICE to myself in this thread. And we are living in koo-koo LSD land so it is appropriate.  :silly:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2EcWkb26I" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2EcWkb26I</a>


LOL!  I happen to love that song by the way.  Like I've said, I AM an old hippie and I love all the old counter-culture music from the sixties and seventies. 

What puzzles me is the old hippies that were against the establishment THEN - are lapping it up now!   :thud:
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2014, 03:47:54 PM »
LOL!  I happen to love that song by the way.  Like I've said, I AM an old hippie and I love all the old counter-culture music from the sixties and seventies. 

What puzzles me is the old hippies that were against the establishment THEN - are lapping it up now!   :thud:

I KNOW I asked you when you were 10 feet T A L L Because you stand-out as the reasonable voice of hope.

Okay back into my hole, dum dums lol

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And yeah, the Hillary Clinton, bra burners did so many tokes and bong hits they went full blown commie.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2014, 03:59:26 PM »
Here is a wealth of information about US deployment of our military over history. Heritage is the source.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/10/global-us-troop-deployment-1950-2003

BTW Rand Paul is NOT his father.
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2014, 04:08:03 PM »
LOL!  I happen to love that song by the way.  Like I've said, I AM an old hippie and I love all the old counter-culture music from the sixties and seventies. 

What puzzles me is the old hippies that were against the establishment THEN - are lapping it up now!  :thud:

It is very curious, isn't it?

Remember "Never trust anyone over 30?"  My guess is now that they're over 30 they are the government so they've taken up a new motto: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2014, 04:17:43 PM »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?


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