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Offline Howie66

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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2014, 03:37:15 pm »
There is evidence here of a federal crime, interstate tobacco trafficking. That could get attention from ATF officers.

Seriously here is another resource. This Englishman named Allen Carr wrote a book, which several people I know, swear by. It is an informed cold-turkey method.

http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Carrs-Easy-Stop-Smoking/dp/0615482155

Thanks for the head's up. Will scope this out!
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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2014, 04:01:23 pm »
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-boom-in-smuggling-to-avoid-cigarette-taxes/

The boom in smuggling to avoid cigarette taxes

More than half of the cigarettes sold in New York State are smuggled in from other places to avoid the Empire State's taxes on smokes, which have soared nearly 200 percent since 2006, according to a report issued by the conservative Tax Foundation.

New York is the highest net importer of smuggled cigarettes -- illegal smokes account for 56.9 percent of the state's total market. New York's cigarettes tax is $4.35 per pack, the country's highest. The situation there isn't unique. The Tax Foundation also cites a study that found that 58.7 percent of discarded cigarettes found in five Northeastern cities lacked proper tax stamps.

Taxes on cigarettes, which are designed to discourage smoking, vary widely. States such as Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia have levies of less than a $1 per pack. These wide differences make smuggling "both a national problem and a lucrative criminal enterprise," according to the Tax Foundation.


Antismoking activists have long argued that fewer people will buy cigarettes if they're expensive. Chicago recently raised its cigarette taxes for that reason. Combined with state and local levies, the total is now $7.17 a pack.

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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2014, 04:44:20 pm »
more from that story:

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The smuggling problem "is a lot smaller than the study lets on," said Thomas Carr, director of national policy at the American Lung Association, noting that the Tax Foundation's data come from the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, which has received funding from the tobacco industry. "Tobacco companies are generally against higher tobacco taxes."

How does he know?  Has he done any studies, or seen any competing studies, that tell a different story?  If so, why isn't he releasing them or pointing them out to the general public.

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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2014, 04:52:34 pm »
Here's an interesting graphic from the underlying article:



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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2014, 04:55:09 pm »
Can't remember the last time I bought a legit pack of cigarettes.

Wife gets them duty free, and I have family who "fish."
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Re: STOP SMOKING?
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2014, 04:58:38 pm »
Running a small-time operation in NY just to make some extra walking-around money shouldn't be too hard:  just find some friends and family who smoke and tell them you'll get them cigarettes at $8 a pack.  Once you've got orders for at least 100 cartons (i.e., 1,000 packs), hop in the car, drive to WV, go to various convenience stores, etc, purchase a few cartons at each one, and by the end of the day you should be able to drive back with a full load.  Given the WV prices, at $8 a pack you'll net $4 a pack, which means on 1,000 packs you'll have gross profit of $4,000, less travel expenses of $200 (approx.), leaves you with net profit of about $3,800.  Not bad for a weekend's work.  To encourage your customers to buy in bulk, you could even offer a bulk discount; perhaps you'd start off charging $10 a pack for up to 10 packs, then scale it on down until you're asking, perhaps, $7 per pack for a 20 carton purchase.

So long as you're judicious about what you do, and carry the cigarette cartons back in innocuous looking boxes (so that to highway patrol you look like you're moving or something), keep your car in good working order, and obey the speed limit, you shouldn't have too much trouble.

Another wrinkle that would probably make you less likely to attract unwanted attention from local law enforcement in WV (or wherever you're sourcing from) would be to rent a car locally when you get there so you have a car with WV license plates.  Since law enforcement is already clued in about the multiple small purchases routine, anyone surveilling a store you go into is likely to be more suspicious if your car has out-of-state plates.  That would add about $100 to your expenses, which leaves you with $3,700 net profit; still not a bad haul.  It might also be wise to stay overnight in a motel so you can make the transfer from one car to the next without being blatantly obvious by moving large quantities of cigarette cartons from one trunk to the next all at the same time.  So add on another $100 for an overnight stay at a decent motel.  Net profit is now $3,600, which still ain't shabby.

Do that 4 times a year - once each calendar quarter - and you're netting about $14,000 a year.
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