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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2014, 09:07:05 PM »

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 09:09:16 PM »
I'm still waiting to hear some details on how the anti-immigrant people intend to sweep the country clean of illegals.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2014, 10:04:06 PM »
[[ I'm still waiting to hear some details on how the anti-immigrant people intend to sweep the country clean of illegals. ]]

There is no need to "sweep the country clean" of illegals.

What -is- important, is that they never be permitted to enjoy American citizenship.

Never as in NEVER. Am I making myself clear?

The point is that they must pay a high price for their crime (yes, -crime-) of border jumping. Yes, they can stay. Yes, they can get health care benefits, school for their children, etc. Yes, they may even receive Social Security, provided they have met the contribution standards that American citizens must meet.

But the one thing they cannot have is full citizenship.
They must NEVER be given the right to vote.
They must NEVER be given the ability to "chain-migrate" their relatives here legally.

Does this condemn them to some kind of "second class" status?
Of course, and I fully endorse and approve of such treatment.
And I make no apologies about it.

I realize, of course, that by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment their children born here are citizens -- nothing can (or will be) done about that.

But giving them full citizenship for breaking the immigration laws will not only accelerate the "tipping" of the country towards the left, it will open the doors to the flood of millions more, who can cross our borders with the full knowledge that nothing can or will be done to stop them.

Are these "details" enough for you?

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2014, 10:22:38 PM »
[[ I'm still waiting to hear some details on how the anti-immigrant people intend to sweep the country clean of illegals. ]]

There is no need to "sweep the country clean" of illegals.

What -is- important, is that they never be permitted to enjoy American citizenship.

Never as in NEVER. Am I making myself clear?

The point is that they must pay a high price for their crime (yes, -crime-) of border jumping. Yes, they can stay. Yes, they can get health care benefits, school for their children, etc. Yes, they may even receive Social Security, provided they have met the contribution standards that American citizens must meet.

But the one thing they cannot have is full citizenship.
They must NEVER be given the right to vote.
They must NEVER be given the ability to "chain-migrate" their relatives here legally.

Does this condemn them to some kind of "second class" status?
Of course, and I fully endorse and approve of such treatment.
And I make no apologies about it.

I realize, of course, that by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment their children born here are citizens -- nothing can (or will be) done about that.

But giving them full citizenship for breaking the immigration laws will not only accelerate the "tipping" of the country towards the left, it will open the doors to the flood of millions more, who can cross our borders with the full knowledge that nothing can or will be done to stop them.

Are these "details" enough for you?

Why, then you're not anti-amnesty, you're right there with me on common-sense immigration reform.  I see no problem whatsoever with denying citizenship to those who entered illegally; I'd even consider only making their presence legal, but as guest workers, with fewer rights than are given to greencard holders.

You're on my side, my friend, and those are details that I have no problem with whatsoever.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2014, 10:25:52 PM »
[[ Why, then you're not anti-amnesty, you're right there with me on common-sense immigration reform. ]]

Good try, but I'm not a "reformer".

The best approach is to do nothing.
No reform.
Simply.... nothing.

I do endorse deportations under current laws, particularly for criminal behavior, etc.

You have a good way of "bendin' words" -- a lawyer, I presume?

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2014, 11:23:46 PM »
[[ Why, then you're not anti-amnesty, you're right there with me on common-sense immigration reform. ]]

Good try, but I'm not a "reformer".

The best approach is to do nothing.
No reform.
Simply.... nothing.

I do endorse deportations under current laws, particularly for criminal behavior, etc.

You have a good way of "bendin' words" -- a lawyer, I presume?

then you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever with what's going on right now because you seem to be happy with the status quo, keeping in mind that the status quo includes Obama's recent moves on immigration.

there's no bending words whatsoever if I take you at your word and assume that you meant what you said about your own views.  It would be shabby behaviour if I assumed you were lying everytime you posted something, wouldn't it?

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 03:24:12 AM »
I'm still waiting to hear some details on how the anti-immigrant people intend to sweep the country clean of illegals.
Simple.  Just enforce the laws that have never been enforced before.
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Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2014, 10:44:23 PM »
Simple.  Just enforce the laws that have never been enforced before.

Really?  Maybe they haven't been enforced to the degree you'd like because as a matter of brute reality they cannot be so enforced.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 11:46:04 AM »
Really?  Maybe they haven't been enforced to the degree you'd like because as a matter of brute reality they cannot be so enforced.
I'd say that is a pretty good bet.
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 11:47:10 AM »
Really?  Maybe they haven't been enforced to the degree you'd like because as a matter of brute reality they cannot be so enforced.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2014, 09:23:00 AM »
Really?  Maybe they haven't been enforced to the degree you'd like because as a matter of brute reality they cannot be so enforced.

Maybe, just maybe, they haven't been enforced because Clinton, Bush and Obama did not want to enforce them.   Quite shocking, but perhaps true.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 09:28:12 AM »
I'm still waiting to hear some details on how the anti-immigrant people intend to sweep the country clean of illegals.

No one expects to sweep the country free of illegals any more than we can sweep the country clean of drunk drivers.    But, with increased manpower, funding, border security and enforcement of e-verify we would greatly reduce the number of alien invaders.

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Re: Zuckerberg Rushes to Renee Ellmers' Rescue with 'No Amnesty' Ads
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2014, 09:29:57 AM »
Well the Gay Howdy Doody is running for the dem nomination for that seat too! Zuck will probably back him if he wins it. LOL


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