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Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« on: March 18, 2014, 01:23:36 PM »
Residents of Crimea voted over the weekend on whether they would remain an autonomous region of Ukraine or join the Russian Federation. In so doing, they joined a number of countries and regions — including recently Scotland, Catalonia and Venice — that are seeking to secede from what they view as unresponsive or oppressive governments.

These latter three are proceeding without much notice, while the overwhelming Crimea vote to secede from Ukraine has incensed U.S. and European Union officials, and has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War.

What's the big deal? Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum. But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law. Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the U.N. is to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples."

Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?

Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"?

Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors.

Though the Obama administration has applied some minimal sanctions on selected Russian and Crimean individuals, neither the U.S. nor the EU can afford significant sanctions against Russia. Global trade provides too much economic benefit to both sides.

Indeed, international markets rallied on news that the sanctions would be thus far minimal. They understand that trade and economic engagement are the surest roads to peace and prosperity. Let's hope governments will follow their lead.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/

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Re: Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2014, 01:25:29 PM »
My sentiments, exactly!   :patriot:
"We must take sides...Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented" ...Elie Wiesel, 1960

"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"If you want to change the world, go home and love your family".    ...Mother Teresa

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Re: Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 01:37:30 PM »
Ron Paul's geo-politics may seem appealing at first glance. His isolationism goes a bit too far. If we sit by and do nothing with everything (which is Ron Paul AND Obama's ideology) We could be stupid enough to sit until the U.S. itself is taken over. I am for isolationism but not to the extreme of Ron Paul.

I also tread very lightly on trusting that Rand Paul is not Ron Paul wrapped into a different package to fool many.

Ron Paul’s Soros Defense Plan | FrontPage Magazine
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/

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Recruiting Libertarian candidates to defeat Republicans

A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot — a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race.

Campaign finance records show the Libertarian Booster PAC has made the largest independent contribution to Sarvis’ campaign, helping to pay for professional petition circulators who collected signatures necessary to get Sarvis’ name on Tuesday’s statewide ballot.


Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC’s major benefactor. He’s also a top bundler for President Barack Obama

Libertarian Booster PAC, a super PAC based in Austin, TX, provided Sarvis with his largest independent expenditure of $11.5k. The money was used to circulate the petition, which put Sarvis on the ballot and produce campaign materials.

The super PAC’s primary funder is Joe Liemandt, a software billionaire. Liemandt contributed $150k to the super PACs $229k operating revenue. Liemandt was invited to a private dinner with the President for his reelection last year. According to ABC News, Liemandt donated between $100-200k to the President’s reelection campaign.

Obama’s Top Campaign Bundlers Among State Dinner Guests
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/obamas-top-campaign-bundlers-among-state-dinner-guests/

Joe Liemandt - $132,500 in Political Contributions for 2012
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/joe-liemandt.asp?cycle=12

2012 Virginia Governor's Race:
McAuliffe (D) - 48.0
Cuccinelli (R) - 45.5
Sarvis (L) - 6.6

It did not work in the Florida race
Jolly (R) - 48.4
Sink (D) - 46.8
Overby (L) - 4.8

Terry McAuliffe Tests Obama Playbook in Virginia
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/terry-mcauliffe-tests-obama-playbook-in-virginia-20130606
« Last Edit: March 18, 2014, 02:03:18 PM by Gazoo »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2014, 02:29:23 PM »
BTW: I have seen some diss Glenn Beck. If it were not for Glenn Beck and The Blaze, the VA. set-up from the Obama machine to steal the governors seat with a planted libertarian would have never seen the light of day.

Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race | TheBlaze.com
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-bundler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/

I don't think they will try to pull this crap anymore because of the exposure. Any Indy candidate will be checked into.

But Rand Paul needs vetted more.
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 05:21:14 AM »
I sadly see a division coming up in primaries. The liberatarians won't bend regarding Rand Paul. While the conservatives are going to splt as well. Social conservatives v. fiscal conservatives. Unless fiscal conservatives can see a way to go for Huckabee. Brand new polls show Huck pulling ahead of Rand Paul. I hope it all works out in the end, it seems as someone like Paul Ryan appeals to both facets of conservatives. The question remains...will the diehard more liberal libertarians get behind anyone but Rand Paul?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 05:21:54 AM by Gazoo »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 06:05:21 AM »
It's ironic the Administration is points to a 95% "pro" vote in Crimea, when there was a greater than 100% vote in some Obama districts.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.


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