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ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« on: March 14, 2014, 08:54:52 PM »
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2014, 09:16:53 PM »
I'm betting Terry Jeffries wet his pants when he saw this poll. 

And, just today, some last-minute candidate gets up on stage and says that "it's time for the ambiguously gay Graham to come out."  This is just after he and Bright and Connor had joined hands and said they'd support each other.

Look for that number to climb to 70% in a week or two.

If the Tea Party can't take out Lindsey Graham, they're not taking out anybody.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 09:31:32 PM »
I'm betting Terry Jeffries wet his pants when he saw this poll. 

And, just today, some last-minute candidate gets up on stage and says that "it's time for the ambiguously gay Graham to come out."  This is just after he and Bright and Connor had joined hands and said they'd support each other.

Look for that number to climb to 70% in a week or two.

If the Tea Party can't take out Lindsey Graham, they're not taking out anybody.
If they can't take out that lowlife piece of political trash Lindsey Graham, this country is totally f***ed.

There are still three months to go, but there is no excuse for not being able to get a challenger over at least 10%. Worse yet, Graham is gaining! We've seen Graham for years. Are the South Carolinian people that stupid? I know the American people in general are (see: Obama re-elected), but I would think that a solid-red state like South Carolina would understand how corrupt and dishonest people like Graham are.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 09:46:17 PM »
If they can't take out that lowlife piece of political trash Lindsey Graham, this country is totally f***ed.

There are still three months to go, but there is no excuse for not being able to get a challenger over at least 10%. Worse yet, Graham is gaining! We've seen Graham for years. Are the South Carolinian people that stupid? I know the American people in general are (see: Obama re-elected), but I would think that a solid-red state like South Carolina would understand how corrupt and dishonest people like Graham are.


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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 10:14:30 PM »
Look for that number to climb to 70% in a week or two.

No doubt. 
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 10:26:09 PM »

R4 said he is running ads around the clock throughout the state

Yep just posted it on another thread! I am so sick of them! all day everyday. especially on fox!


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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2014, 10:58:08 PM »
It's the incumbent machinery, very hard for a regular person to defeat.  Greasing palms, cronyism, tit-for-tat, I'll vote NO this time since I'm up for re-election - ad nauseum.  The end result is what we see right now, our country in dire straits.  Do I sound bitter?  Damn right.   
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2014, 11:26:16 PM »
Apropos of nothing in particular:  I find it faintly amusing when someone first asserts that the American people are too smart to be fooled by this or that, and that they're just being bamboozled or suppressed by those in power - the incumbents in this case - and who then asserts, when those self-same American people vote overwhelmingly for the incumbent, that they were too stupid to see through the dissimulation in the incumbent's ads and campaign speeches.  Which is it?  Are Americans stupid, or are they not?

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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2014, 11:49:32 PM »
Apropos of nothing in particular:  I find it faintly amusing when someone first asserts that the American people are too smart to be fooled by this or that, and that they're just being bamboozled or suppressed by those in power - the incumbents in this case - and who then asserts, when those self-same American people vote overwhelmingly for the incumbent, that they were too stupid to see through the dissimulation in the incumbent's ads and campaign speeches.  Which is it?  Are Americans stupid, or are they not?
  Are Americans stupid?  Yes.  Are American voters stupid? No. 

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-in-depth-survey-nonvoters-voters.html 
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  Nonvoters tend to skew younger than voters, with nearly a third less than 30 years old. They also tend to be less educated than voters
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2014, 11:52:52 PM »
  Are Americans stupid?  Yes.  Are American voters stupid? No. 

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-in-depth-survey-nonvoters-voters.html 

American voters are stupid, by and large.  But that's the beauty of democracy, as rather cynically, but positively, noted by Winston Churchhill.

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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2014, 01:49:28 AM »
American voters are stupid, by and large.  But that's the beauty of democracy, as rather cynically, but positively, noted by Winston Churchhill.
Government funded studies have shown that approximately 50% of the American people have below average intelligence, in fact 1 in 4 fall under the 25th percentile.  Stupid in comparison to what?  Voters in North Korea?  They all know what leader they want.  I believe voters are more intelligent than non voters as I pointed out.  Party voters are, I believe, more informed and intelligent than moderate and maybe independent voters.   Certainly some party voters vote for a party because their parents voted that way.  But most of the GOP and rat voters know the issues, are informed by their favored biased media, and cast their vote believing they are making the right choice.   That is why they bother to vote.  when 100 million don't bother it really removes the stigma.

The American voters are a subset of the American people.  I see the American voter as an individual who stands somewhere on a line that ranges from far right to far left.  about 1/3 vote conservative, 1/3 split between moderates(vote for a candidates pretty smile) and independents (votes for an individual.  they are informed), and 1/3 liberal.  1% to maybe 5% of the right and left voters are what I call the fringe.  The fringers are often very well informed on some issues, some brilliantly insightful on some issues, but they don't come to a rational conclusion from their information.  On the left these would be the voters who could not stomach to vote for Al"Earth in the Lurch"Gore and instead voted for the Green Party candidate.  On the right it would be FreedomWork's Kibbe, and Senate Conservative Fund's Hoskins.  I wouldn't say Kibbe and Hoskins or Naders supporters are stupid.  I'd go with crazy.

I have a lot more respect for the voters than most everyone I know.  I think it is great that almost 60% of voters took the time to vote in 2012.  Many don't.  Some people recognize they know nothing about the issues and positions of the candidates.  They are too busy living the American dream 40, 50, 60 hours a week.  Raising families and paying bills.  Who has time to read both sides and make a fair and balanced decision?

The retired do and they vote a lot.

When did the voters get so stupid? 1860s? 1910s?

 
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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2014, 08:40:40 AM »
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When did the voters get so stupid? 1860s? 1910s?
Good question.

I think it has been fairly recent, just a few years, really. Perhaps not stupid, but gullible and willing to believe any disinformation they hear. Social media has allowed disinformation to spread like wildfire and that's a new development. Certain special-interest groups and politicians have been at the forefront of manipulating messages to appeal to these people and make them think it is true, even when it is not.

Just the past couple of days, I see Jon Stewart, for instance, make Facebook's new "trending" feature: one for his feud with Fox News over food stamps (and it's all putting Stewart in a favorable light), and once for his lampooning of Mitch McConnell's latest ad. People are eating this **** up. That's the scary thing.

Not only that, they are poisoning the well so that opposition cannot get the same traction.

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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2014, 02:01:43 PM »
Just the past couple of days, I see Jon Stewart, for instance, make Facebook's new "trending" feature: one for his feud with Fox News over food stamps (and it's all putting Stewart in a favorable light), and once for his lampooning of Mitch McConnell's latest ad. People are eating this **** up. That's the scary thing.

Not only that, they are poisoning the well so that opposition cannot get the same traction.

Stewart is trending because his show on the 13th was funny as hell.  Even though I disagreed with his attack on Fox and the McConnell music remix I laughed hard.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBsjK71HpA0" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBsjK71HpA0</a>
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2014, 02:11:40 PM »
I have many relatives in South Carolina and none of them can stand Lindsey Graham.

It's hard to understand that a state as red as South Carolina could actually like this pansy waist RINO/Democrat Lite buddy of the disgusting John McCain! 
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2014, 02:39:29 PM »
I have many relatives in South Carolina and none of them can stand Lindsey Graham.

It's hard to understand that a state as red as South Carolina could actually like this pansy waist RINO/Democrat Lite buddy of the disgusting John McCain!

Graham is a tireless defender of our military.  That plays well in SC. 
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2014, 02:48:26 PM »
That 60% favorable number is getting to be pretty popular. Just the other day a poll telling us that Mitch McConnell was at 60%.

Wonder when the poll telling us that Barak Hussein Obama is also at 60% will be reported? Monday? Tuesday?
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2014, 02:49:51 PM »
I have many relatives in South Carolina and none of them can stand Lindsey Graham.

It's hard to understand that a state as red as South Carolina could actually like this pansy waist RINO/Democrat Lite buddy of the disgusting John McCain!

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm betting that this poll is just slightly manufactured.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2014, 02:54:27 PM »
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm betting that this poll is just slightly manufactured.
I'll take that bet.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2014, 03:19:52 PM »
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm betting that this poll is just slightly manufactured.

Wrong.  This poll was sponsored by Human Events, which is a far-right website/magazine.  If any "manufacturing" was being done, Graham would be a lot lower than 60%.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »
I have a theory: Online people like to hang with others that are similar to themselves.

In public it is not easy, but online it is very easy to narrowly restrict one's environment. TOS is a good example.

Then online, very much interplay takes place reinforcing the self-selected bias. Contrary views are ridiculed, and even banned.

The result is environments which bill themselves as "Cruz Country" or "conservative."

No wonder people can easily say nobody they know thinks any different than them, when they exist in customized self-selecting, sometimes under threat of banning environments.

Of course voters do exist for McCain, Graham, McConnell. Their detractors just don't want to hang with them, or hear from them.


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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2014, 03:36:25 PM »
I have a theory: Online people like to hang with others that are similar to themselves.

In public it is not easy, but online it is very easy to narrowly restrict one's environment. TOS is a good example.

Then online, very much interplay takes place reinforcing the self-selected bias. Contrary views are ridiculed, and even banned.

The result is environments which bill themselves as "Cruz Country" or "conservative."

No wonder people can easily say nobody they know thinks any different than them, when they exist in customized self-selecting, sometimes under threat of banning environments.

Of course voters do exist for McCain, Graham, McConnell. Their detractors just don't want to hang with them, or hear from them.

You might be right but I live so close to the South Carolina line that I do most of my shopping there.  I also have friends, relatives, that live and work in Myrtle Beach, Surfside Beach, Garden City and Murrell's Inlet.
All of them talk about Lindsey Graham and how they'd like to get rid of him.  They all work with a broad spectrum of people from all ages that also speak about how to get rid of Lindsey Graham.
It's not like they're all relatives that think alike.  They range from firemen, policeman, to retail and Gyms.  You would think they'd meet someone that liked the gay senator, wouldn't you?

Graham might vouch for the military but that's about all he does.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 06:28:41 PM »
You might be right but I live so close to the South Carolina line that I do most of my shopping there.  I also have friends, relatives, that live and work in Myrtle Beach, Surfside Beach, Garden City and Murrell's Inlet.
All of them talk about Lindsey Graham and how they'd like to get rid of him.  They all work with a broad spectrum of people from all ages that also speak about how to get rid of Lindsey Graham.
It's not like they're all relatives that think alike.  They range from firemen, policeman, to retail and Gyms.  You would think they'd meet someone that liked the gay senator, wouldn't you?

Graham might vouch for the military but that's about all he does.

It's the same here in Kentucky.  I haven't seen a single sign supporting Mitch McConnell, but plenty of Bevin signs.  On the other hand, my father, who doesn't keep up with politics anymore (dementia) would vote for Mitch in a second - because he knows his name. 
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 09:39:09 PM »
It's the same here in Kentucky.  I haven't seen a single sign supporting Mitch McConnell, but plenty of Bevin signs.  On the other hand, my father, who doesn't keep up with politics anymore (dementia) would vote for Mitch in a second - because he knows his name.

There aren't any Collins signs in Maine either.
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Re: ELECTION 2014: Poll shows Graham at 60 percent
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2014, 10:53:41 PM »
There aren't any Collins signs in Maine either.
Yeah. Come to think of it, my very solid conservative House Rep. doesn't need signs. His voting record would indicate he might have joined the House Tea Party Caucus, but he did not.

He consistently gets renominated in the primary, elected in the general, all without yard signs.

And he ain't no Collins. He's Oceander Rohrabacher, and he don't need no Tea Party because he was TP long, long before there was a Tea Party. Many who have NOT joined the TP, were and remain very solid conservatives.

Not all solid conservatives are Tea Party affiliated. In FACT about 25% or less of the House Republican delegation have elected to be Tea Party affiliated.

 

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2014, 11:37:48 PM »
There aren't any Collins signs in Maine either.


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