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GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« on: March 13, 2014, 03:32:50 PM »

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2014, 03:42:31 PM »
Come on now! Show of hands!

How many didn't know this would be coming?

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2014, 03:43:23 PM »
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"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 03:45:16 PM »
Come on now! Show of hands!

How many didn't know this would be coming?

I can't read what Rove said and could not find the blah blah blah emoticon.
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 03:50:06 PM »
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One final lesson: While Ms. Sink's campaign outraised Mr. Jolly's 2-to-1 and outspent it 4-to-1 on TV, outside conservative groups evened things up. Democrats ended up spending $6.4 million and Republicans $6.3 million.

Been wanting to ask this all week. Is this Sink's wife?
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2014, 03:51:40 PM »
Come on now! Show of hands!

How many didn't know this would be coming?
Do you agree or disagree with the substance of his remarks?

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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2014, 03:57:30 PM »
Do you agree or disagree with the substance of his remarks?

What I got out of it was that without the Tea Party's support in $$$ for TV spots, Jolly would have lost.

What I got out of it was that this could have ended up the same way Terry McAuliffe beat Ken Cuccinelli in the Virginia governor election...where Rove and the boys withheld funds.

Okay...so I resent Karl Rove a little.  But I do agree with him here.   That election shouldn't have been close.  Winning with less than 50% of the vote has alarm bells going off here.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2014, 04:29:49 PM »
Thanks for your comments on the substance of his article.

Another article I read indicated Rove's American Crossroads donated heavily.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2014, 06:03:23 PM »
I often don't agree with Karl Rove, his opinions nor his tactics, but he is right on this one.  Yes, I will be clear (and pithy!!), Rove's Right.

A Special Election is different than a mid-term for sure, and each Special Election has its own idiosyncrasies.

He seems to have hit upon the right highlights and lowlights, for this Special Election.

Both Jolly & Sink were flawed candidates in many ways.  On paper, this election was Sink's to lose from the onset.

0bamacare was an issue, but how "big" of an issue is certainly open for debate, and probably will be for some time.

If you sift out all of the other issues, local and national, and set aside their particular quirks and strengths as candidates, focusing in on 0bamacare: Jolly handled it well, in my opinion.  Sink, handled it poorly. 

But not every race in November is going to be run by Alex Sink and David Jolly (with the young, inspiring Libertarian Lucas Overby thrown in the mix!).

While the GOP in DC did cough up $$$ (which were absolutely necessary to avoid the swearing in of Alex Sink today), they certainly did nothing to assuage many of the complaints that many of us have about them, as evidenced in this recent thread: David Jolly Won Despite DC GOP Betrayal

I certainly don't know who the un-named "leakers" were that were the source(s) for the Politico story referenced in the thread above, I'd like to believe that Rove & Crossroads have clean hands on this one.  And yes, Crossroads threw in either $500 or $600 K of advertising (a couple of very well done & timely TV spots), including the Rand Paul robo-call on election eve.  So, hats off to Rove for getting this one right, and making a difference with his Crossroad's contribution.


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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2014, 06:09:36 PM »
What's happened is that Karl Rove guessed wrong.  He thought Jolly as being weak and unorganized.

Now he's trying to make a little lemonade.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 06:16:48 PM »
What's happened is that Karl Rove guessed wrong.  He thought Jolly as being weak and unorganized.

Now he's trying to make a little lemonade.

Yep.

Rove has had some time to work out a suitable spin.

Just don't look at his actual record. That wouldn't be prudent.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 06:23:49 PM »
What's happened is that Karl Rove guessed wrong.  He thought Jolly as being weak and unorganized.

Now he's trying to make a little lemonade.

While my tendency would be to agree with that, I'm not sure it is the case here.  Like I said above, I don't know who leaked for that Politco story on Friday, if it was Rove, or any of his people, then I eat my words of faint praise for him on this one.  But if we assume that he wasn't part of the Friday hatchet job, then we need to embrace the fact that his Crossroad contribution made a huge difference in this race, and be thankful for it.  And his analysis on the takeaways of the CD13 SE is about the clearest that I've read so far.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2014, 06:43:36 PM »
What's happened is that Karl Rove guessed wrong.  He thought Jolly as being weak and unorganized.

Now he's trying to make a little lemonade.

He may very well be weak and unorganized and still manage to win an election.  The fact is, he's going to have a fight on his hands in November.  Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.
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Re: GOP, Beware Of Tuesday's Victory By Karl Rove
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2014, 08:18:31 PM »
What's happened is that Karl Rove guessed wrong.  He thought Jolly as being weak and unorganized.

Now he's trying to make a little lemonade.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner ladies and gentlemen!


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