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Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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No more of your illustration than those who think Ted Cruz is the next Ronald Reagan.

He ain't.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.


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As for "President" Romney, exit polls showed he carried the electorate on critical measures like values and leadership, and lost because he failed badly on one single measure: "cares about people like you."

By contrast, Reagan won the "cares about people like you" vote hands down.

After having donned by asbestos suit I am going to say that this is a very cogent analysis.

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The same phantom posters who pushed Palin for President here must be pushing Cruz for president now..... at least that is what one person seems to believe.   The person must be really invisible because I've missed the endorsement here for any one person for president in 2016. If by any chance it is Cruz I'm good with it, same with Perry  or Walker - Paul makes nervous because of his dad.

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The same phantom posters who pushed Palin for President here must be pushing Cruz for president now..... at least that is what one person seems to believe.   The person must be really invisible because I've missed the endorsement here for any one person for president in 2016. If by any chance it is Cruz I'm good with it, same with Perry  or Walker - Paul makes nervous because of his dad.


huh? (scratches head)

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This is no endorsement of Cruz, but it seems to me that nearly every criticism of conservative nominees originates with the assumption that the GOP must segment the voters into various groups and appeal to each group according to its political interests.  It seems to me that this is the Democrats' approach, and I seriously doubt Republicans are going to be able to outbid the socialists.

The way to combat segmentation is to focus on what we all have in common and articulate some universal truths that cross demographic lines.  Whether that is something Cruz can do, I cannot say.  I certainly encourage him to try.

I frankly don't understand those folks who are trying to limit the voices in our party, and limit our choice of candidates. 
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This is no endorsement of Cruz, but it seems to me that nearly every criticism of conservative nominees originates with the assumption that the GOP must segment the voters into various groups and appeal to each group according to its political interests.  It seems to me that this is the Democrats' approach, and I seriously doubt Republicans are going to be able to outbid the socialists.

The way to combat segmentation is to focus on what we all have in common and articulate some universal truths that cross demographic lines.  Whether that is something Cruz can do, I cannot say.  I certainly encourage him to try.

I frankly don't understand those folks who are trying to limit the voices in our party, and limit our choice of candidates.

And neither do I unless they have a vested interest in doing so!

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This is no endorsement of Cruz, but it seems to me that nearly every criticism of conservative nominees originates with the assumption that the GOP must segment the voters into various groups and appeal to each group according to its political interests.  It seems to me that this is the Democrats' approach, and I seriously doubt Republicans are going to be able to outbid the socialists.

The way to combat segmentation is to focus on what we all have in common and articulate some universal truths that cross demographic lines.  Whether that is something Cruz can do, I cannot say.  I certainly encourage him to try.

I frankly don't understand those folks who are trying to limit the voices in our party, and limit our choice of candidates. 

to me it appears the other way around.  The segmentation is driven by so-called "true conservatives" who to all appearances seem to believe that they are the wheat to the chaff that is everyone else, to be gotten rid of in order to have a "pure" party.

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 08:44:21 PM »
I'm going to jump in the fray (taking a risk, I know), and say that it cuts both ways.

The Republican party has, at least for the past 50 years, had a conservative wing and a moderate wing.

In the past, the two ends of the spectrum were able to unite for a common goal.  Now, we need to be united more than EVER before, because the left is tearing America apart.

BOTH sides need to swallow their pride and get the "big picture."

If we don't, we won't survive as a nation.

It's that simple.
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 08:56:57 PM »
I'm going to jump in the fray (taking a risk, I know), and say that it cuts both ways.

The Republican party has, at least for the past 50 years, had a conservative wing and a moderate wing.

In the past, the two ends of the spectrum were able to unite for a common goal.  Now, we need to be united more than EVER before, because the left is tearing America apart.

BOTH sides need to swallow their pride and get the "big picture."

If we don't, we won't survive as a nation.

It's that simple.

The progressive wing of the Republican party has NEVER tried to get along with the conservatives and aren't about to now. The sooner everyone understands that the better off everyone is going to be!

As someone here said the other day Conservative ALWAYS wind up fighting a two front war! They must fight the progressives in their own party while simultaneously fighting the Democrats!
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 08:59:42 PM by Bigun »

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 09:36:23 PM »
The progressive wing of the Republican party has NEVER tried to get along with the conservatives and aren't about to now. The sooner everyone understands that the better off everyone is going to be!

As someone here said the other day Conservative ALWAYS wind up fighting a two front war! They must fight the progressives in their own party while simultaneously fighting the Democrats!

I don't think that's entirely it, Bigun.

The internet and social media has turned a much larger spotlight on the extreme ends of both parties. 

Since we don't control the media, 'our' crazy uncles on the right make it EZ for them to portray conservatives as racist/bigot/homophobic/evil rich/Nazis.......just pick one.  Or Two.

The moderate wing of the party is more terrified than ever to hand the reins over to the likes of Ted Cruz, etc..

Myself....I love the fight the GOP is having right now.  I hope it draws blood, because it could have historical implications.

For example, castrating Obama politically is remarkable in itself.  But will be enough to satisfy everybody?  Here, perhaps.  But across the country?

Will the GOP Tea Party faction call for Impeachment and removal of Barack Obama?   If so that's too bad.   It will backfire in 2016 if they do.

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 10:10:10 PM »
The progressive wing of the Republican party has NEVER tried to get along with the conservatives and aren't about to now. The sooner everyone understands that the better off everyone is going to be!

As someone here said the other day Conservative ALWAYS wind up fighting a two front war! They must fight the progressives in their own party while simultaneously fighting the Democrats!

Oh, I agree completely, Bigun.

I just spent so much time on FR reading incessant attacks on "RINO's" (i.e. EVERYONE in the Republican Party), that I know there's some fault on the conservative end too.

We really DO need to stop attacking each other.  Leftists somehow understand that they need to hang together when it comes to the big elections.  There are just too many on the right who don't seem to get it.
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 10:35:47 PM »
The progressive wing of the Republican party has NEVER tried to get along with the conservatives and aren't about to now. The sooner everyone understands that the better off everyone is going to be!

As someone here said the other day Conservative ALWAYS wind up fighting a two front war! They must fight the progressives in their own party while simultaneously fighting the Democrats!

And the conservative wing hasn't tried to get along with anyone else, either.  The moderates also end up fighting a two-front war, simultaneously fending off the depredations of the conservatives and their allies while fighting the democrats.

That's the problem - both sides of the same party spend more time antagonizing each other than they do fighting the enemy.

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 10:53:25 PM »
And the conservative wing hasn't tried to get along with anyone else, either.  The moderates also end up fighting a two-front war, simultaneously fending off the depredations of the conservatives and their allies while fighting the democrats.

That's the problem - both sides of the same party spend more time antagonizing each other than they do fighting the enemy.

I don't think that is true at all! Conservatives ALWAYS wind up getting behind the party nominee in the end but the same definitely isn't true of the other side and we've seen that many times just in the last couple of election cycles! As recently as yesterday in fact!
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2014, 11:01:39 PM »
to me it appears the other way around.  The segmentation is driven by so-called "true conservatives" who to all appearances seem to believe that they are the wheat to the chaff that is everyone else, to be gotten rid of in order to have a "pure" party.

I haven't read too many conservatives writing that Christie or Jeb Bush should not run.
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2014, 11:06:29 PM »
I don't think that is true at all! Conservatives ALWAYS wind up getting behind the party nominee in the end but the same definitely isn't true of the other side and we've seen that many times just in the last couple of election cycles! As recently as yesterday in fact!


Baloney.  There were any number of sit-outs because of things as trivial as Romney's being a mormon.  Don't believe me?  Go read some of the tripe that got plastered up at FR about that.

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2014, 11:06:59 PM »
I haven't read too many conservatives writing that Christie or Jeb Bush should not run.

You've not been reading much here then, have you?  I'm just waiting for the holier-than-thou threats to sit out the election if Christie runs.
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2014, 11:11:01 PM »
Baloney.  There were any number of sit-outs because of things as trivial as Romney's being a mormon.  Don't believe me?  Go read some of the tripe that got plastered up at FR about that.

I read it! That's why I'm here and not there! There are exceptions to everything but in general I stand by every word of what I said!

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2014, 11:14:33 PM »
You've not been reading much here then, have you?  I'm just waiting for the holier-than-thou threats to sit out the election if Christie runs.

I guess I haven't been paying attention.  My own opinion is that I'd prefer choices in the primaries.  I ended up voting for Ron Paul last time because by the time PA came along it was down to Paul or Romney.

As to my main point, I think the GOP should focus on the things that define us as Americans as opposed to hyphenated Americans.
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2014, 11:29:10 PM »
I guess I haven't been paying attention.  My own opinion is that I'd prefer choices in the primaries.  I ended up voting for Ron Paul last time because by the time PA came along it was down to Paul or Romney.

As to my main point, I think the GOP should focus on the things that define us as Americans as opposed to hyphenated Americans.

On your main point I agree completely.  And I really, really wish that everyone in the GOP would stop shooting at each other and start shooting at the real enemy.

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Re: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2014, 09:23:00 AM »
I read it! That's why I'm here and not there! There are exceptions to everything but in general I stand by every word of what I said!

I'm curious, from one conservative to another......... how do you explain the low conservative voter turnout in 2012 (aside from the IRS, of course), if you don't think that conservatives 'sat it out' because Romney wasn't pure enough.  (Obviously, he wasn't the best choice, but the alternative was a Marxist!).

Even on this forum there have been posts saying a member would never vote for Christie.   And there are those who, on threads about how wretched this administration and the Dems are, almost always manage to take pot shots at Republicans.  First.

I think that Obama won in 2008 because of conservatives who wouldn't vote for McCain.  My view was, no matter how bad McCain was, he was a better alternative than a Communist thug.  I argued with so many people who said their 'conscience' would not allow them to vote for McCain or Romney.

Yet their "conscience" apparently DID allow them to help Obama win.

As I said earlier......I don't think the problem is one-sided.  And even though I'm a conservative Republican, I don't think the blame of missing the big picture is all on the side of the progressive Republicans.

And I fully agree with Oceander, that we need to stop shooting each other, and start shooting at the enemy.

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