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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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I prefer Cruz' take on it.

Primaries are for the will of the people to be freely experessed. The NRSC should stay out of them completely. Once you have a candidate - go all in in getting them elected.
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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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It depends on how you view flawed candidates.

Mourdock and Akin were seriously flawed candidates. McCain is also seriously flawed. Yet they were/are the picks of their constituents. Who gets priority? The GOP brand or the people these are supposed to represent? After all, it says "We the people" not "We the GOP brand."
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"Should all the vetting, polling, and organizing be left to the individual voter?"

Yes.  In the primaries it absolutely should be left to THE PEOPLE.  Everybody keeps forgetting that it's WE THE PEOPLE that elect our leaders - who go to Washington to represent US.  That is exactly what Ted Cruz is doing. 

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I prefer Cruz' take on it.

Primaries are for the will of the people to be freely experessed. The NRSC should stay out of them completely. Once you have a candidate - go all in in getting them elected.

I agree completely.  I do not want the national party funding and picking the candidates in my state for me.  That is what the Soviet Union did.  And, though I technically still have a "choice" it remains only a couple of steps away from tyranny as big money has tremendous sway in the primaries.

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It depends on how you view flawed candidates.

Mourdock and Akin were seriously flawed candidates. McCain is also seriously flawed. Yet they were/are the picks of their constituents. Who gets priority? The GOP brand or the people these are supposed to represent? After all, it says "We the people" not "We the GOP brand."
Akin was not only a flawed candidate, but arguably a Democrat mole. Mourdock was a good man who got caught in the bad trap that Akin set, and it's one that hopefully the GOP learned from seeing.

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I prefer Cruz' take on it.

Primaries are for the will of the people to be freely experessed. The NRSC should stay out of them completely. Once you have a candidate - go all in in getting them elected.

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The NRSC's purpose is to PREVENT exactly that and they no longer get even so much as one thin dime from me!!
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Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Mitch McConnell will beat that bimbo Grimes like a drum.  She doesn't know what she stands for.

It's gonna be a wave election, and the GOP will pick up eight seats and not lose a single one.

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I prefer Cruz' take on it.

Primaries are for the will of the people to be freely experessed. The NRSC should stay out of them completely. Once you have a candidate - go all in in getting them elected.

Sometimes, the people elect idiots (Akin, Murdock, O'Donnell, Angle).  How'd that work out in 2010 and 2012 by letting "the people" choose these dumbells? 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Sometimes, the people elect idiots (Akin, Murdock, O'Donnell, Angle).  How'd that work out in 2010 and 2012 by letting "the people" choose these dumbells?

It worked out as it should. The residents of the state chose the person they wished to represent them. Or do you think it should be done from on high?
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It worked out as it should. The residents of the state chose the person they wished to represent them. Or do you think it should be done from on high?

I don't mind a reminder from the NRSC if they know that a candidate is a ringer.  There is no reason that Delaware should have Chris Coons as a Senator.  Christine O'Donnell had a troubled background, ran a terrible campaign, and ended up embarrassing herself and the entire Republican Party.  Mike Castle was a shoo-in, but Delaware Republicans (probably with the help of a lot of Democrats) decided to turn over the apple cart and go with the witch.  Prior to that election, every single GOP operative was warning about O'Donnell, but it was all for naught.
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I was not exactly fond of O'Donnell myself - wrote a well received article on her stupidity and all round nuttiness. But - she was the pick. Once the electorate picks someone in the primary, get behind them. You can always dump them later and let a conservative governor fill the vacant seat.
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Sometimes, the people elect idiots (Akin, Murdock, O'Donnell, Angle).  How'd that work out in 2010 and 2012 by letting "the people" choose these dumbells?

So you do prefer someone other than We The People picking our candidates?  I'm sure Putin would welcome you with open arms.

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Sometimes, the people elect idiots (Akin, Murdock, O'Donnell, Angle).  How'd that work out in 2010 and 2012 by letting "the people" choose these dumbells?

Well, that's is how the primary system in our democratic republic works.  The voters of a specific party are most always entitled to chose their representative for better or for worse.  I suppose we could have a party caucus make the selection, or worse, the party boss structure.   Overall, I doubt you would get any better of a candidate and people would be less likely to vote in the general election or may have a stronger desire to vote where their voice is heard (third party). Most always the people have faith in their government if they have participation in the election of the those who run government.

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I don't mind a reminder from the NRSC if they know that a candidate is a ringer.  There is no reason that Delaware should have Chris Coons as a Senator.  Christine O'Donnell had a troubled background, ran a terrible campaign, and ended up embarrassing herself and the entire Republican Party.  Mike Castle was a shoo-in, but Delaware Republicans (probably with the help of a lot of Democrats) decided to turn over the apple cart and go with the witch.  Prior to that election, every single GOP operative was warning about O'Donnell, but it was all for naught.


Right... And you ignore the Rove candidate she defeated had already indicated he was going to pull a Specter and change parties...why don't you let people like Lips decided who they want as their senators..

And...didn't you support Specter in PA the year he defeated Toomey because Rove sent Bush in to campaign for Specter?  How did that work out?  And what about Crist who Cornyn hand picked... why Rubio was dirt for challenging the now Democrat... the NRSC, NCCC and NEC have no business in primaries... none.

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I was not exactly fond of O'Donnell myself - wrote a well received article on her stupidity and all round nuttiness. But - she was the pick. Once the electorate picks someone in the primary, get behind them. You can always dump them later and let a conservative governor fill the vacant seat.


Karl Rove didn't even waste five seconds in trashing her .. He did it the very minute she was announced the winner and the party which should have helped her after the primary was over hung her out to dry because their guy had lost to her.
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Karl Rove didn't even waste five seconds in trashing her .. He did it the very minute she was announced the winner and the party which should have helped her after the primary was over hung her out to dry because their guy had lost to her.

Rove didn't trash her.  He said she was unelectable, and we would lose that Senate seat for no good reason, and he was right.
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       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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Rove didn't trash her.  He said she was unelectable, and we would lose that Senate seat for no good reason, and he was right.

And did everything in his power to make it so!  Who needs Democrats when you have the likes of Karl Rove?!

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Does someone have a youtube of what spilled out of his mouth on Hannity at the very moment they broke in to say she had won.......

BTW the RNSC did to the same things to her that the RNCC tried to do to Jolly in Florida - it worked with McDonnell - it failed with Jolly and the RNSC has egg on it's face today.


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