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Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« on: March 09, 2014, 10:23:28 PM »
http://theulstermanreport.com/2014/03/10/rand-paul-and-ted-cruz-support-stuns-gop-establishment/

Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment

by Ulsterman on March 10, 2014


I’m quite certain the GOP elites are growing increasingly anxious over the grassroots support emerging for such out of the mainstream figures like Senators Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.  Senator Paul had a particularly strong showing this weekend, winning three different polls as the candidate of choice for conservative voters: the CPAC straw poll, the ConservativeHQ.com poll, and a recent Drudge poll that generated nearly a quarter million votes.  It would seem, at least so far, that conservatives are increasingly determined to pick THEIR candidate, and not allow the GOP machine to do so for them.

Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are among a new and far more independent movement within the Republican Party.

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DRUDGE READERS SURPRISE GOP ELITE FOR PREZ
Become latest to defy D.C. establishment in sizzling new poll


When it comes to picking a presidential candidate for 2016, the GOP elite is having a hard time getting the grassroots to toe the establishment line.


Top Republican strategist Karl Rove, for example, has repeatedly praised Chris Christie, the Republican governor of New Jersey, as “a strong potential candidate in 2016,” whom Democrats fear will win the nomination.



But now a poll on one of the Internet’s top websites, the Drudge Report, reveals the ground troops just aren’t buying it.

With over 234,000 votes counted, Rove’s “strong potential candidate,” Christie, was garnering less than five percent of the vote. Bush had just over six percent. Ryan had less than four.

But despite fiery criticism from the GOP establishment, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was registering over 28 percent in the Drudge Report poll, while Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul was leading the survey, with over 30 percent. Paul’s 72,297 votes compared impressively to Christie’s 11,437.

Other recent polls of favorite presidential picks showed the same stark division between political conservatives and the GOP elite.

For example, Paul also won the straw poll at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, with 31 percent of the vote. Cruz came in second, with 11 percent, while Christie garnered only 8 percent.

A separate, independent straw poll of conservatives conducted by veteran activist Richard A. Viguerie of ConservativeHQ.com found Paul again the favorite, with 29 percent, and Cruz again in second, with 17 percent. Christie came in at 10 percent, while Ryan and Bush only picked up 2 percent each.  LINK
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 10:23:52 PM »
three separate polls, similar results
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 10:26:53 PM »
Interesting to be sure.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 10:28:11 PM »
Web polls and straw polls are not scientific and are indicative of how many people click on a website or show up to vote at a narrowly-focused conference.

Nothing else.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 10:29:51 PM »
Web polls and straw polls are not scientific and are indicative of how many people click on a website or show up to vote at a narrowly-focused conference.

Nothing else.

Doesn't change the fact three different sources and three similar results.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 10:31:02 PM »
and remember support for Rove's PACS has dropped 98%....
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 10:33:01 PM »
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Yes.  The establishment was caught completely off guard by Rand Paul's popularity.
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Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »
Doesn't change the fact three different sources and three similar results.

Likely the same people voting in all three polls.  You know that self-selecting polls are worthless, don't you?  They reflect how many people of similar persuasion CHOOSE to vote in that poll.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 10:37:45 PM »
Likely the same people voting in all three polls.  You know that self-selecting polls are worthless, don't you?  They reflect how many people of similar persuasion CHOOSE to vote in that poll.

Not possible, Sink., Only attendees at CPAC could vote in the CPAC straw polls and they had to use their CPAC registration number in order to receive a ballot.

Good try, though.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 10:54:05 PM »
Not possible, Sink., Only attendees at CPAC could vote in the CPAC straw polls and they had to use their CPAC registration number in order to receive a ballot.

Good try, though.

WEB POLLS ARE WORTHLESS!!!!

Do you even know how legitimate polling works?
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2014, 11:00:24 PM »
WEB POLLS ARE WORTHLESS!!!!

Do you even know how legitimate polling works?

Yes.  I am quite aware.  Thank you.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2014, 11:24:58 PM »
Yes.  I am quite aware.  Thank you.
So am I and while only the CPAC poll was scientifically significant (100% sample), the web based polls are indicative of wide support for Paul, Cruz and even Carson among those who follow politics on the web. It's a long time until the election, but it is a good start.
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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2014, 08:54:50 AM »
WEB POLLS ARE WORTHLESS!!!!

Do you even know how legitimate polling works?

If it were 'web polls' straw polls-whatever polls saying your guy was winning; you and your Boehner/McCain GOP- fan club would be posting 6 threads an hour on the results.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2014, 12:14:37 AM »
Yet another straw poll.........Instapundit......


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14,130 votes Instapundit Straw Poll:

Rand Paul 26%,
Scott Walker 21%,
Ted Cruz 20%.
Rick Perry & Sarah Palin 5% each,
Rubio & Christie 2%.
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 12:27:56 AM »
Tom saw a bumper sticker today in the Gym parking lot. It said.......... CARSON 2016   :whistle:


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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2014, 12:31:35 AM »
Tom saw a bumper sticker today in the Gym parking lot. It said.......... CARSON 2016   :whistle:

Do they know he is anti-second amendment???
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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2014, 12:39:06 AM »
Do they know he is anti-second amendment???

who knows? Tom didn't know whose car it was.


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Re: Rand Paul And Ted Cruz Support Stuns GOP Establishment
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2014, 12:40:39 AM »
who knows? Tom didn't know whose car it was.

~LOL~ being in SC I can't imagine he would get much support if they knew his position on guns.    He's still a nice and very brilliant man... just wrong-headed on the constitution.
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