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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2014, 03:37:45 am »
LOL!  Cruz never insulted any of those losers in their role as veterans. He rightly criticized them as politicians, for not standing up for Conservative principles.


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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2014, 03:37:54 am »
He contrasted Dole, McCain and Romney to himself, by implication. 

What has Ted Cruz done in his 42 years beside shutdown the federal government?

Well, he graduated from Princeton, graduated from Harvard Law school with high honors, and clerked for Chief Justice Renquist.  He was elected twice by the voters of Texas to public office and is one of the most prominent freshman Republican Senators. 

By the way, he also has a huge list of names to obtain even more donations.

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2014, 03:38:34 am »
Neither did Ted Cruz.  Obama singlehandedly shut down the government.

Polls say otherwise.  It doesn't matter who really did what; it matters what voters think. 
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2014, 03:39:22 am »
Well, he graduated from Princeton, graduated from Harvard Law school with high honors, and clerked for Chief Justice Renquist.  He was elected twice by the voters of Texas to public office and is one of the most prominent freshman Republican Senators. 

By the way, he also has a huge list of names to obtain even more donations.

Bingo.  You win the prize.

It's all about the donations..........
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2014, 03:39:45 am »
Polls say otherwise.  It doesn't matter who really did what; it matters what voters think.

Polls smolls.. I care about FACTS and not spreading untruths to absolve the President of his follies.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2014, 03:42:35 am »
He shouldn't have.  His shotgun mouth got ahead of his BB gun ass, as it does quite frequently.

Very nice. Very cogent and well thought out response. Wonderful. You have exposed your irrationally and outright hate with that statement. There is no talking to you. You are a fanatic and are not rational.
 
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2014, 03:43:20 am »
Polls smolls.. I care about FACTS and not spreading untruths to absolve the President of his follies.

I find it simply amazing how "polls" trump principles and truth for so many.  (As if they are worth the time it takes to even publish them.   :silly: )

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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2014, 03:43:52 am »
Polls smolls.. I care about FACTS and not spreading untruths to absolve the President of his follies.

Perceptions become facts in the minds of voters.  And the perception is that Ted Cruz engineered shutting down of the government and, had he had his way, would have done it again last month over the debt ceiling.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2014, 03:44:47 am »

Very nice. Very cogent and well thought out response. Wonderful. You have exposed your irrationally and outright hate with that statement. There is no talking to you. You are a fanatic and are not rational.
 
Are you being paid? Who is funding you to get on sites like this and defend the old, old, status quo from the 1950's?

Got anything besides ad hominems? 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2014, 03:45:46 am »
In the political world, polls matter from the standpoint of who is getting credit or blame, among other things.  Obama and Reid shut down the government.  Because of his tactics, Cruz largely gets the blame.  Reality.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2014, 03:47:53 am »
In the political world, polls matter from the standpoint of who is getting credit or blame.  Obama and Reid shut down the government.  Because of his tactics, Cruz largely gets the blame.  Reality.

I simply don't believe that poll results reflect reality.  I do believe that they reflect the position of the sponsor of the poll.

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2014, 03:54:21 am »
I simply don't believe that poll results reflect reality.  I do believe that they reflect the position of the sponsor of the poll.

You must have forgotten the polls in 2012 which showed Obama up over Romney but were decried by Republican consultants who insisted Romney would win.

Polls serve a vital function, which is why people are willing to pay for them.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2014, 03:58:52 am »
You must have forgotten the polls in 2012 which showed Obama up over Romney but were decried by Republican consultants who insisted Romney would win.

Polls serve a vital function, which is why people are willing to pay for them.

My point exactly.  I will never be convinced that Romney lost the election.  Don't even try.

(Yes, they pay for them to publicize their positions.)

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2014, 04:02:09 am »
My point exactly.  I will never be convinced that Romney lost the election.  Don't even try.

(Yes, they pay for them to publicize their positions.)

Romney didn't lose?  Based on what?
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2014, 04:02:15 am »
Perceptions become facts in the minds of voters.  And the perception is that Ted Cruz engineered shutting down of the government and, had he had his way, would have done it again last month over the debt ceiling.

They only become "facts" when people - like yourself - persist in spreading the untruth instead of the truth.

BTW have you forgotten Newt Gingrich criticized Bob Dole for being the “tax collector of the welfare state." saying "It was bad policy and worse politics, though it added up better than war and welfare with nobody paying the bill.”

And just as Cruz was correct this week at CPAC, so was Gingrich correct in his assessment of Bob Dole Majority Leader. 

When Dole was running for President he told Goldwater he could be the "liberal" of the Republican Party only to turn around and tell someone else that he "could be Reagan" if need be to win the election... in other words Bob Dole - like John McCain and even to a degree Romney had no core beliefs. Voters sense this every time and we keep losing elections because of this lack of core beliefs in our candidate.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2014, 04:03:23 am »
My point exactly.  I will never be convinced that Romney lost the election.  Don't even try.

(Yes, they pay for them to publicize their positions.)

Thanks to electronic voting machine rigging and things like PA and Ohio where there was more than 100% of the registered voters for Obama and zero for Romney I agree with you.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2014, 04:05:50 am »
They only become "facts" when people - like yourself - persist in spreading the untruth instead of the truth.


How can I argue with that?  Sheese Rap.  Truth - Cruz had inept instinct.  Obama and Reid shut down the government and gleefully watched Cruz take the hit.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2014, 04:06:18 am »
They only become "facts" when people - like yourself - persist in spreading the untruth instead of the truth.

BTW have you forgotten Newt Gingrich criticized Bob Dole for being the “tax collector of the welfare state.It was bad policy and worse politics, though it added up better than war and welfare with nobody paying the bill.”

And just as Cruz was correct this week at CPAC, so was Gingrich correct in his assessment of Bob Dole Majority Leader. 

When Dole was running for President he told Goldwater he could be the "liberal" of the Republican Party only to turn around and tell someone else that he "could be Reagan" if need be to win the election... in other words Bob Dole - like John McCain and even to a degree Romney had no core beliefs. Voters sense this every time and we keep losing elections because of this lack of core beliefs in our candidate.

Cruz is never wrong.  Got it.

If that's the case, why is his approval in the toilet with independents? 

Gingrich's criticisms were made when Dole was still active in politics.  Cruz takes a shot at a 90 year old man who's been out of politics for 16 years.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2014, 04:09:47 am »
I posted half a page of 'facts regarding Obama, the election and cheating to Sinkspur before. He is just trying to argue for the sake of arguing and get your goat. Hold onto your goat  ^-^  You know he is near losing the argument when he corrects spelling, grammar, mouths off the word ad hominem and asks repetitive questions.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2014, 04:11:57 am »
How can I argue with that?  Sheese Rap.  Truth - Cruz had inept instinct.  Obama and Reid shut down the government and gleefully watched Cruz take the hit.

Rap, I thought your comment was directed at me.  I now see I was wrong - but my post is salient.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2014, 04:13:33 am »
Hey!  I can correct my posts for the tiniest things at times.  Little things cause a big annoyance for me at times.  Anal that way.  I have a son just like me, too.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2014, 04:14:07 am »
Rap, I thought your comment was directed at me.  I now see I was wrong - but my post is salient.

Yes, Obama and Reid did shut it down, you are 100% correct.  I applauded Cruz trying to stop congress from funding Obamacare, and I still think he was correct... when someone is drowing - as this country is currently - then it is no time to play nice.

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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2014, 04:14:42 am »
Obama got more than 99%  of the votes in 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County in Ohio. There were other discrepancies in other counties, not to mention those who got caught cheating. 

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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2014, 04:16:09 am »
BTW - Dole 's hands are far from clean if we are going to say everyone in the GOP can only play by "gentleman's rules"......

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/05/27/Bob-Dole-Has-Some-Nerve

Bob Dole Has Some Nerve
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Former Senate Majority Leader and 1996 GOP Presidential nominee Bob Dole excoriated the Republican Party on Fox News Sunday, saying the Party lacked new ideas and engaged in too much obstructionist activity in the upper chamber.

"They ought to put a sign on the National Committee doors that says 'Closed for repairs,' until New Year's Day next year and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas," he said.

Additionally, Dole remarked that not only was he doubtful he could "make it" in today's Republican Party, but he believes Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon could not make it either in the current GOP, saying, "Reagan couldn't have made it. Certainly, Nixon couldn't have made it, because he had ideas. We might've made it, but I doubt it."

His criticism of his own party seems much harsher than that of President Obama who he said does not know how to reach across the aisle and cultivate relationships with Republicans. Dole's remarks come at a bizarre period, considering the multitudinous scandals hitting the Obama administration at once.

The current Republican Party  may be distasteful to Dole, but its important to consider a number of things about Dole the politician. First, Dole owed Reagan for suggesting to Gerald Ford to pick Dole as Ford's running mate in 1976. Ford did this to get Reagan supporters on his side after the primaries. How did Dole repay Reagan?

According to a June 1, 1996 article of The Economist, Dole made some pretty nasty remarks about the great communicator in the past:

 
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  Some time ago, before Bob Dole turned 70 years old, he described Ronald Reagan as "a befuddled septuagenarian." Some time ago, before Mr Dole started to rely on teleprompters, he called Mr Reagan "a programmed line-reader." And, right after Mr Reagan won a landslide victory in 1984 by issuing vague promises of tax reform, Mr Dole addressed a Florida crowd. "I've just obtained a copy of President Reagan's secret tax plan," he announced, holding up a blank sheet of paper.

Dole complained that he would not make it in today's Republican Party. However, Dole could not make it in 1976 on the bottom of the GOP presidential ticket against when the Party ran against Jimmy Carter or the top of the ticket 20 years later when he ran against Bill Clinton. Reagan campaign manager John Sears wrote in the L.A. Times in September of 1995 that Dole was a political chameleon who did not know what he was for or against :

   
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Perceptions are more important than facts in politics, and the perception that Dole created was that he overreacts. This is not a helpful perception about a possible President, since we want our Presidents to be strong men who see a clear picture and are not distracted by minutiae.

    Dole, in a magazine article early this year, claimed it was Richard M. Nixon who taught him his talent for handling issues. "Run to the right until you are nominated," Nixon had presumably said, "and then move to the center." Not bad advice in its day, but if Dole thinks he is implementing this advice by what he is doing, he's crazy.

    What Nixon meant (and what he did) was to emphasize during the nomination process those issues he and conservatives agreed on, then, as the election unfolded, move to those on which there was disagreement. Then there were those matters he did not have strong feelings about, that could be used to fine-tune his position in the center, or right of center, of the political spectrum. Nixon used to refer to these issues as the "paint- our- backsides- white- and- run- with- the antelopes" issues.

    But everything Nixon said was something he was willing to stand behind. He was for dealing from strength with the Russians, against the busing of children to achieve racial equality, for putting more conservative judges on the U.S. Supreme Court. He was also for open housing, for black capitalism, for creating a new agency to deal with the environment. Dole flits back and forth about what he's for until the conclusion is hard to escape that he doesn't know what he's for.

    Earlier this year, at a GOP gathering, Dole said, "I'll be anything you want me to be; I'll be Ronald Reagan if that's what you want." Certainly, Nixon would never have told him to make such a statement. He may have wished he could be Dwight D. Eisenhower, but he also knew he'd just have to be himself.

    Reagan, incidentally, never had any of these problems. He was for you, or against you, and you could count on it. But even if he was against you, he found ways to make you feel comfortable. Certainly no advocate of the gay agenda in the late 1970s, he campaigned against an initiative on the California ballot that would have denied gays and lesbians the right to teach in the California education system. Certainly no advocate of organized labor's agenda, he received the votes of millions of working-class Democrats who felt he cared about them. Certainly no fan of the Soviet Union, Reagan politely accepted its surrender.

    Reagan never gave back any contributions or apologized for any support. It was always, "They're supporting me, I'm not supporting them" as far as Reagan was concerned. And this was true.

Finally, why did Bob Dole lose to Clinton in 1996? For one thing his ideas never solidified quickly enough. The Baltimore Sun gives some clues. Dole was not willing to attack Clinton on ethics issues until late in the election, and even then the attacks were soft peddled, with slogans like "character counts." :

   
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Dole also had trouble figuring out how to highlight Clinton's potential weakness on ethics issues. In the spring, the Republican nominee spoke vaguely about "trust," suggesting at one point that people would feel better entrusting their children to Dole's care than to Clinton's. But most in the Dole camp had argued strenuously that the candidate himself -- already saddled with a reputation for nastiness -- should not go on the attack because critics would say he was being mean.

The Dole camp stalled for too long over running on a 15 percent tax cut. He was never known as a supply side defender. Jeff Jacoby at the Boston Globe wrote in 1996, "Believability-wise, a promise from Dole to cut taxes is like those letters I get from Publishers Clearinghouse -- "YOU, JEFF JACOBY, MAY HAVE WON TEN MILLION DOLLARS!!" It could theoretically happen, but no sane person would count on it." By the time the Dole campaign decided to add the 15 percent tax cut promise to the platform, once again, it was already too late.

Perhaps Dole wants to assure his relevancy as well as his legacy within the GOP, but his most recent statements will surely not help him.
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Re: McCain: Cruz 'Crossed Line' by Mocking GOP Presidential Losers
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2014, 04:18:39 am »
I posted half a page of 'facts regarding Obama, the election and cheating to Sinkspur before. He is just trying to argue for the sake of arguing and get your goat. Hold onto your goat  ^-^  You know he is near losing the argument when he corrects spelling, grammar, mouths off the word ad hominem and asks repetitive questions.

Don't worry, Gazoo, I gave up arguing on message boards long ago.  I simply don't care what people think.  I post my opinion, and leave it at that.