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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 10:54:37 AM »
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He said the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians

And what was Hitler's excuse for invading Poland?  Protecting ethnic Germans.

This is like watching some classical Greek tragedy; everyone knows exactly how this is going to end up, the only uncertainty is precisely how that end will be reached.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 11:05:45 AM »
Obama is being pulled from a golf course. If they were normal they would seek the guidance of Kissinger, anyone but his cabinet officials.

I predict they won't, on Monday jug ears will address the nation again and say we are very very very concerned.

Obama cannot put the effed up foreign policy genie back in the bottle or blame anyone.

THIS is why the tea party is ticked off! We are screwed. This guy Obama is inept beyond belief if we get nuked we won't be here to complain.
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 11:09:35 AM »
We won't get nuked; however, we will have to deal with a Russian dominated Eastern Europe (again) for at least 20 years.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2014, 12:05:38 PM »
We won't get nuked; however, we will have to deal with a Russian dominated Eastern Europe (again) for at least 20 years.

If we are not completely reformed to communism, progressivism, euro socialism in time with the utopian we are the world UN takeover.  If we slip back from the road we are currently on. We can easily get attacked in so many ways it is frightening. We were already attacked with the slickest weapon imaginable, the infiltration of their failing communistic ways, demoralization is complete and successful, an entire political party has the power, full corruption and mistrust are all gov agencies, media control and takeover, takeover of banks, cars, (Government Motors) healthcare, lemon aid stands, we are taxed on everything but passing gas; if it all doesn't stick, if anyone stops it and reverses it back to just demoralization, what will they do?
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2014, 12:11:12 PM »
We won't get nuked; however, we will have to deal with a Russian dominated Eastern Europe (again) for at least 20 years.

And the Middle East.
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2014, 01:07:37 PM »
We won't get nuked; however, we will have to deal with a Russian dominated Eastern Europe (again) for at least 20 years.
What a coinkydink. It appears Obama would like to turn our country into the old Soviet Union, too.
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2014, 01:19:03 PM »
Obama is being pulled from a golf course. If they were normal they would seek the guidance of Kissinger, anyone but his cabinet officials.

I predict they won't, on Monday jug ears will address the nation again and say we are very very very concerned.

Obama cannot put the effed up foreign policy genie back in the bottle or blame anyone.

THIS is why the tea party is ticked off! We are screwed. This guy Obama is inept beyond belief if we get nuked we won't be here to complain.

No disrespect to you or anyone here, but WTF difference is it to the United States whether Putin takes the Ukraine back again in this centuries' old tug-a-war.

How exactly does that hinder Obama's "Master Plan" to deconstruct the USA as the world's sole Super Power?

Who directly get's wounded by the Ukraine not honoring that trade agreement with the European Union?  Is it in jeopardy?

IMHO, this is a big yawn.

I grew up getting in the fetal position under my school desk during air-raid siren drills. 

Today, I see myself wishing Putin was my President instead of who's there now.  I love the USA.  My President doesn't.
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2014, 01:31:34 PM »
I wonder if Putin will try to take back Alaska...     :pondering: :pondering:
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2014, 01:37:46 PM »
What a coinkydink. It appears Obama would like to turn our country into the old Soviet Union, too.

Maybe this is what he meant when he told the Russian ambassador that he would be more flexible after the election. I think they are in cahoots, and Obama wants to see the Ukraine under Russia's domain.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2014, 01:59:18 PM »
He got Obama;s blessing last week.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2014, 02:01:02 PM »
Tweet Of The Morning: U.S.S. Obama On The Way To Confront Putin



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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2014, 02:01:36 PM »
Maybe this is what he meant when he told the Russian ambassador that he would be more flexible after the election. I think they are in cahoots, and Obama wants to see the Ukraine under Russia's domain.

Anything is possible with Obama. He is not stupid enough to stand down thinking the world is full of unicorns. Putin plays a good game and is a strong leader but is an ex KGB spook and is as red as Obama.
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2014, 02:23:30 PM »
Why should we expect aggressive acts from Obama, when Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II did not aggress against the USSR/Russia?

Besides, the Peace Dividend has been spent 100 times over, on food stamps.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2014, 02:47:57 PM »
Why should we expect aggressive acts from Obama, when Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II did not aggress against the USSR/Russia?

Besides, the Peace Dividend has been spent 100 times over, on food stamps.

None of those Presidents but maybe Carter showed weakness. None of those Presidents promised to end the missile defense shield, the star wars program. None of those Presidents but Carter promised America disarmament. None of these presidents told Putin they would do whatever he wanted after he is re-elected. None of these Presidents but maybe Carter (and Carter is looking better at this stage) had as horrific track record on foreign policy.

There was no reason for any of the Presidents to aggress with the USSR/Russia because their actions and policies never let it go this far. See how President George W. Bush handled things when Russia invaded Georgia.

With a current weak U.S. President Obama, who knows when Russian will stop invading.

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When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2014, 01:41:26 AM »
Why should we expect aggressive acts from Obama, when Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II did not aggress against the USSR/Russia?

Besides, the Peace Dividend has been spent 100 times over, on food stamps.



??  Reagan "aggressed" against the Soviet Union to the point where they spent themselves into penury and broke their own political back for him.  He was simply good enough at it that he didn't need to go "hot" to get his points across.

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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2014, 02:17:57 AM »
??  Reagan "aggressed" against the Soviet Union to the point where they spent themselves into penury and broke their own political back for him.  He was simply good enough at it that he didn't need to go "hot" to get his points across.

In a twisted way, this is actually legal.

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Sergei Aksenov, the head of the main pro-Russia party on the peninsula, said in a statement reported by local and Russian news agencies that he appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin "for assistance in guaranteeing peace and calmness on the territory of the autonomous republic of Crimea."

Crimea is an autonomous part of Ukraine, with it's own Parliament. It too, can invoke the Budapest Memorandum, to which Russia is a signatory.

I do have a sneaking suspicion that this is all smoke and mirrors though. While this is going on, who is looking at Syria and watching the conflict and WMDs there?
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Re: BREAKING>>>>Putin gets permission to use Russian military in Ukraine
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2014, 08:58:38 AM »
In a twisted way, this is actually legal.

Crimea is an autonomous part of Ukraine, with it's own Parliament. It too, can invoke the Budapest Memorandum, to which Russia is a signatory.

I do have a sneaking suspicion that this is all smoke and mirrors though. While this is going on, who is looking at Syria and watching the conflict and WMDs there?


(a) of course it's legal, and

(b) it's a damned sight better than doing nothing until a crisis erupts and then going "hot" because that's the only way to force things back to the status quo ante.

And it's why Reagan was one of the pre-eminent leaders - forget about just being a politician - in the Twentieth Century.  What Reagan achieved was nothing less than the ultimate in political judo, using the enemy's own weight and momentum against him to bring him down.

SDI was an expensive proposition, and I am still of the view that it was, when Reagan started it, a ruse, a bluff that wasn't really supposed to lead to actual space weapons - something along the lines of the misdirection carried out by the Allies as prelude to the Normandy invasion in order to keep the Nazis from figuring out when/where the Allies were actually going to hit European beaches.  That being said, the cost was well worth the result, and a damned sight cheaper than the alternative means of bringing the USSR down, namely, going "hot."


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