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Why the eruption in Kiev could set off a tsunami that will engulf us all: As Ukraine burns, a stark warning from our most authoritative historian of Eastern Europe

By Mark Almond

PUBLISHED: 18:45 EST, 22 February 2014 | UPDATED: 03:58 EST, 23 February 2014



Television pictures of revolutions can make them seem like a spectator sport.

Having Vitali Klitschko, the world heavyweight boxing champion, playing a starring role in the events in Kiev reinforces that impression.

But the implosion of the Ukrainian state in the last 48 hours is a political earthquake.

Chaos in Kiev could set off a tsunami that will toss Western Europe from its moorings too.

It is a mistake to think we are watching from a safe distance.

Maybe Ukraine is as foreign to the British people today as it was when an obscure crisis on its southern coast in Queen Victoria’s reign became the Crimean War.

But not since the 1850s has this country come so close to colliding with Russia.

Ukraine sits on the fault line dividing Eastern Europe between pro-Western and pro-Russian views. Her people are split over attitudes to the old imperial capital, Moscow.

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Am I naive to be of the mind that 2014 Soviet Union and their brand of Communism will NOT be the same as it was since Nikita Kruschev.

China has realized that free-market capitalism....in certain doses...can bring prosperity and contentment to the people.

Let's face it...Obama is of a similar mindset.

He thinks we're too unbalanced between the classes and wants to skim off the ones that are living paycheck to paycheck...so that more suffer.  More suffer?  More votes and and a louder 'voice'.

If the Olympics weren't going on right now, we'd be seeing Russian tanks quelling this "Revolution".

Good timing....since I don't believe in coincidences.
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Great article.  Things there are much more complicated than many would think.

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From wiki, about origins of the "Rus people" etc. Kiev was the center of the Kievan Rus culture, said to be the origin of Russian culture, over 1000 years ago. There are various versions of the history, but most agree that people from Sweden, Vikings, were involved. The very term "Russia," from "Rus" is derived from Scandinavian influence.

"Slavic sources[edit]

According to the earliest East Slavic record, the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' were a group of Varangians among others like Swedes and Gutes who lived on the other side of the Baltic Sea, in Scandinavia and as far as the land of the English and the French.[9] The Varangians were first expelled, then invited to rule the warring Slavic and Finnic tribes of Novgorod:

The four tribes who had been forced to pay tribute to the Varangians—Chuds, Slavs, Merians, and Krivichs drove the Varangians back beyond the sea, refused to pay them further tribute, and set out to govern themselves. But there was no law among them, and tribe rose against tribe. Discord thus ensued among them, and they began to war one against the other. They said to themselves, "Let us seek a prince who may rule over us, and judge us according to custom". Thus they went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus. These particular Varangians were known as Rus, just as some are called Swedes, and others Normans and Angles, and still others Gutes, for they were thus named. The Chuds, the Slavs, the Krivichs and the Veps then said to the Rus, "Our land is great and rich, but there is no order in it. Come reign as princes, rule over us". Three brothers, with their kinfolk, were selected. They brought with them all the Rus and migrated.

—The Primary Chronicle[11]

Later, the Primary Chronicle tells us, they conquered Kiev and created the state of Kievan Rus' (which, as most historians agree,[citation needed] was preceded by the Rus' Khaganate). The territory they conquered was named after them as were, eventually, the local people (see Etymology of Rus and derivatives for further details)."
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I wonder if Russia is going to send troops to the Ukraine???
GOP House members came to Paul Ryan to be Speaker. He didn't come to them. And he was everybody's conservative darling back in 2012. So unless 1 of the remaining 240 wants to step up & do a better job in budgeting & negotiations & herding the party cats, then everybody please STFU. You go to battle with the army you have, not the one you want but don't have.

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Most of what Putin foes hoes underreported, there is a thousand year old town 1000 moles from Moscow, elected s New mayor critical of Putin.. suddenly drug off yo who knows where.. I know this from the report NBC did yesterday on the hockey team who died in a 2011 plane crash there.
 This was their town... I've never heard the story of the now missing mayor until yesterday.
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Most of what Putin foes hoes underreported, there is a thousand year old town 1000 moles from Moscow, elected s New mayor critical of Putin.. suddenly drug off yo who knows where.. I know this from the report NBC did yesterday on the hockey team who died in a 2011 plane crash there.
 This was their town... I've never heard the story of the now missing mayor until yesterday.

I think Putin is up to something..
GOP House members came to Paul Ryan to be Speaker. He didn't come to them. And he was everybody's conservative darling back in 2012. So unless 1 of the remaining 240 wants to step up & do a better job in budgeting & negotiations & herding the party cats, then everybody please STFU. You go to battle with the army you have, not the one you want but don't have.

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I think Putin is up to something..

Me, too.  BTW typing on my Kindle it changes my words at times, I really can spell... :silly:
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Me, too.  BTW typing on my Kindle it changes my words at times, I really can spell... :silly:

I have the same problem on my #$%@^ phone!

Drives me bananas!


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Me, too.  BTW typing on my Kindle it changes my words at times, I really can spell... :silly:

For me it is the spell check on tablet and smartphone.
GOP House members came to Paul Ryan to be Speaker. He didn't come to them. And he was everybody's conservative darling back in 2012. So unless 1 of the remaining 240 wants to step up & do a better job in budgeting & negotiations & herding the party cats, then everybody please STFU. You go to battle with the army you have, not the one you want but don't have.

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I think Putin is up to something..

Of course he is! He wants the Ukraine firmly back under Russian control and that is what he shall have regardless of the consequences!

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Outstanding article.

Must agree with the majority opinion here.  This is clearly written ... and chilling.

Thanks for posting.
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