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Liberals Are Destroying Our Black Communities With the Best of Intentions


February 20, 2014
By Hilda

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I understand Eric Holder’s panic over the numbers of young black  males ending up in prisons at an early age.  Too many learn to become hardened criminals in these facilities. I also agree with Holder that zero tolerance, which is harming students, needs to be eliminated but it is hurting all children not just black children. Blacks are often stuck with bad lawyers because they are more likely to be poor and unemployed. They often don’t get a fair shake, that’s a fact too.

Where Holder loses me is when he says he wants prison sentences and school discipline for blacks to be tailored only to blacks because we are a racist country.

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of color, creed or sexual persuasion. Selecting out preferred groups is inherently unfair to those left out.

That being said, arresting young black males or anyone for small amounts of marijuana is ridiculous, unnecessary and damaging. That’s one place, where we could make some needed changes. I agree with Holder on this issue to some degree. To ignore it, however, is a mistake. Marijuana is a gateway drug, it is controlled by criminals and will continue to be, even if legalized.

An easy solution is to not criminalize it but to have another category for this “crime” and require youthful offenders to do community service and/or rehab under threat of fine.

Zero tolerance in schools is one of the most damaging policies I have seen in schools. It hurts every victim of it to some degree. Blacks don’t need to be singled out, everyone suffers under it.

The government can’t easily address the social issues in black communities but what they view as acts of kindness have hurt blacks and now Hispanics. The Administration has some good ideas but they always make it into an issue of racism regardless of whether it is or not and they always take it to an extreme. It always, always involves more big government.

The administration would better serve the citizens by properly defining the problem and then working with their colleagues to come up with reasonable solutions that are legitimately within the government’s purview.

I understand the panic about the ever-increasing numbers of minority youths in prisons. most don’t have the money for good lawyers as many whites do and it creates an inbalance in our justice system. The “free lawyer” system needs to be cleaned up. It’s not working but that doesn’t mean we should install a system of unequal justice.

Teaching blacks that whites run around feeling privileged and whites hate them is actually helping to destroy black communities. Race-baiters like Al Sharpton preach hate and racism. He’s a bad guy whom President Obama has elevated to White House adviser simply because he is another socialist who is black.

Our own president makes everything about race.

Republican black leaders are quickly dispatched with ridicule and name calling. They are often called Uncle Toms. The hate and separation has grown intense and wide thanks to the race whores. Blacks can pick their own leaders and it’s not my place to say who their leaders should be, but it is my right to say that some of them are despicable race-baiters who cause segregation.

Redistribution on a large scale and affirmative action are not going to be the answer. History has shown us that.

Today, the unemployment rate among black males, ages 16-19 is an horrific 57%!  57%!  It’s 25% for white males that age, also a disaster. Then there is this: 75% of black babies are born out of wedlock. The liberal solution is to abort them, to kill generation after generation of precious and irreplaceable black babies. They have the same solution for poor white babies. Instead of adoption, they think “unwanted” babies should be aborted.

Liberals don’t like marriage and when Bill O’Reilly recently went on air to decry the situation for blacks in the inner cities who are getting caught up in gangs, he talked about the loss of the intact family in black communities.

O’Reilly’s words were twisted in the media and on the Internet and, suddenly, a discussion we should all be having became: O’Reilly is a racist, O’Reilly is blaming blacks for unemployment, O’Reilly is denigrating blacks, O’Reilly is picking on that great leader, Al Sharpton.

How do you have an intelligent debate if neither side will talk honestly about it? The left has silenced all discussions because they have all the answers, or so they think. Unfortunately, all the signs point to their failure.

While there are many great social workers, ministers and police officers doing great work with gangs, we could use an Eliot Ness and a Bobby Kennedy who treat gangs just like mobs were treated decades ago. These gangs are the mob and they have no small part in destroying our culture.

The black culture, the Hispanic culture, the Native-American culture, the white culture is our culture. When we stop seeing them as separate entities and see ourselves as all part of one nation and one people united, we will fare much better.

Many black youths feel racism makes it impossible for them to get ahead. They have no hope and go to gangs where they can make money. They are often recruited at an early age and oftentimes forced into gangs.  They are not not being educated properly, compounding the problem. They often have a poor home life and live in poverty.

It’s a complicated problem and when people like Holder and the left only make it about racism, they ignore the problem for what it is and they divide us even more. The fact is their “solutions” aren’t working.  Whites who think this is a black problem are forgetting that we are all one people, united, we are in this together. Plenty of whites are just as bad off but have better lawyers. That is a fact.

This is OUR problem and we should all be panicking.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/liberals-are-destroying-our-black-communities-with-the-best-of-intentions/
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 11:22:41 AM by rangerrebew »
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 12:57:05 PM »
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 01:34:54 PM »
Sorry, but blacks have deeper problems than lack of good lawyers to defend them.

Fact is, they commit violent crimes at rates far beyond others in America. The lawyer angle implies helping get them off, for the crimes they commit.

I am not buying that.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
Quote
Marijuana is a gateway drug, it is controlled by criminals and will continue to be, even if legalized.

Shades of Prohibition.  I didn't realize the Mafia controlled anyone's whiskey sour.  My mistake.   **nononono*

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 05:48:24 PM »
Shades of Prohibition.  I didn't realize the Mafia controlled anyone's whiskey sour.  My mistake.   **nononono*

Prohibition worked great, that is:

It diminished freedoms, at the behest of religious zealots.

It also increased job opportunities for both career criminals, and big government advocates.

Do you think when prohibition ended in 1933, the government laid those employees off?

Or did they reassign them to pursue some other targets, like marijuana? See "Reefer Madness" 1936

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_madness

There are plenty of people who think it is just fine, that the US has a huge prison population, over drug offenses.

Keeps big powerful rich government employee factions going, with fat pensions, big bucks to lobby for reasons to curtail personal freedom, to keep us "safe."



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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 06:12:51 PM »
I never have given liberals credit for having good intentions.  It is an evil ideology and most professional social engineers are fully aware of the results of their work.  I know this because I was one of them once.  They are more like defense attorneys who know their clients are guilty, but they have a role to play in society and so they play that role, and if juries are dumb enough to convict, too bad.  Never forget most politicians are lawyers.  They think like lawyers.  The acquisition of power is the objective, and all is fair so long as it is legal or defensible.  Right and wrong rarely occurs to them.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2014, 06:15:25 PM by massadvj »
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 11:07:11 PM »
I never have given liberals credit for having good intentions.  It is an evil ideology and most professional social engineers are fully aware of the results of their work.  I know this because I was one of them once.  They are more like defense attorneys who know their clients are guilty, but they have a role to play in society and so they play that role, and if juries are dumb enough to convict, too bad.  Never forget most politicians are lawyers.  They think like lawyers.  The acquisition of power is the objective, and all is fair so long as it is legal or defensible.  Right and wrong rarely occurs to them.

with all due respect, there is a quintessential difference between a liberal and almost any defense lawyer - the latter will fight tooth and nail against the state on her client's behalf, the former will fight tooth and nail to gain control of the state in order to exercise its power against his enemies.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 11:14:43 PM »
“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.” – Thomas Sowell
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 08:01:19 AM »
“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.” – Thomas Sowell

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 08:04:08 AM »
“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.” – Thomas Sowell
I always found it ironic that Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, then rounded up all the blacks into public housing ghettos. Touché.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 10:08:49 AM »
with all due respect, there is a quintessential difference between a liberal and almost any defense lawyer - the latter will fight tooth and nail against the state on her client's behalf, the former will fight tooth and nail to gain control of the state in order to exercise its power against his enemies.

You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 10:41:07 AM »
You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 10:43:17 AM »
or innocent defendant convicted ...

Yes.  Very true.  It does go both ways.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 02:49:29 PM »
You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

  - William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765-1769.


"it is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."

  - Moses Maimonides, The Commandments, Neg. Comm. 290, at 269-271 (Charles B. Chavel trans., 1967).


"it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer"

  - Benjamin Franklin, 9 Benjamin Franklin, Works 293 (1970); Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Benjamin Vaughan (14 March 1785).*

*n.b., a similar statement is often attributed to Thos. Jefferson, but my quickie research couldn't find a reliable source to confirm that attribution


"It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.'"

  - John Adams, defending British soldiers charged with murder for their role in the Boston Massacre.


Abraham drew near, and said, "Will you consume the righteous with the wicked?  What if there are fifty righteous within the city?  Will you consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous who are in it?  ... What if ten are found there?"  He [The Lord] said, "I will not destroy it for the ten's sake."

  - Genesis 18:23-32.


"And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:  and there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.  And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;  yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.  And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily.  Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

  - Luke 18:1-8 (authorized King James Version).


The Lord works in mysterious ways, for even the vain and egotistic defense lawyer is still doing God's work.


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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 02:51:00 PM »
Contrariwise,  few prosecutors may lay claim to that same mantle, for there is almost always a degree of political cunning and a taint of vengeance in their acts.

"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.'"

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 05:35:49 PM »
OC, I am not saying we should do away with defense attorneys, nor am I saying that they do not have a vital role to play.  I am simply making an observation about the type of personalities who tend to gravitate to the profession.

''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,''
Henry VI,'' Part II, act IV, Scene II
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
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