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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 12:57:05 PM »
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I don't know who that was attributed to, as I heard it from a manager while selling cars.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 01:34:54 PM »
Sorry, but blacks have deeper problems than lack of good lawyers to defend them.

Fact is, they commit violent crimes at rates far beyond others in America. The lawyer angle implies helping get them off, for the crimes they commit.

I am not buying that.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2014, 02:12:38 PM »
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Marijuana is a gateway drug, it is controlled by criminals and will continue to be, even if legalized.

Shades of Prohibition.  I didn't realize the Mafia controlled anyone's whiskey sour.  My mistake.   **nononono*

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 05:48:24 PM »
Shades of Prohibition.  I didn't realize the Mafia controlled anyone's whiskey sour.  My mistake.   **nononono*
Prohibition worked great, that is:

It diminished freedoms, at the behest of religious zealots.

It also increased job opportunities for both career criminals, and big government advocates.

Do you think when prohibition ended in 1933, the government laid those employees off?

Or did they reassign them to pursue some other targets, like marijuana? See "Reefer Madness" 1936

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_madness

There are plenty of people who think it is just fine, that the US has a huge prison population, over drug offenses.

Keeps big powerful rich government employee factions going, with fat pensions, big bucks to lobby for reasons to curtail personal freedom, to keep us "safe."



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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 06:12:51 PM »
I never have given liberals credit for having good intentions.  It is an evil ideology and most professional social engineers are fully aware of the results of their work.  I know this because I was one of them once.  They are more like defense attorneys who know their clients are guilty, but they have a role to play in society and so they play that role, and if juries are dumb enough to convict, too bad.  Never forget most politicians are lawyers.  They think like lawyers.  The acquisition of power is the objective, and all is fair so long as it is legal or defensible.  Right and wrong rarely occurs to them.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 11:07:11 PM »
I never have given liberals credit for having good intentions.  It is an evil ideology and most professional social engineers are fully aware of the results of their work.  I know this because I was one of them once.  They are more like defense attorneys who know their clients are guilty, but they have a role to play in society and so they play that role, and if juries are dumb enough to convict, too bad.  Never forget most politicians are lawyers.  They think like lawyers.  The acquisition of power is the objective, and all is fair so long as it is legal or defensible.  Right and wrong rarely occurs to them.

with all due respect, there is a quintessential difference between a liberal and almost any defense lawyer - the latter will fight tooth and nail against the state on her client's behalf, the former will fight tooth and nail to gain control of the state in order to exercise its power against his enemies.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 08:01:19 AM »
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 10:08:49 AM »
with all due respect, there is a quintessential difference between a liberal and almost any defense lawyer - the latter will fight tooth and nail against the state on her client's behalf, the former will fight tooth and nail to gain control of the state in order to exercise its power against his enemies.

You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 10:41:07 AM »
You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.

or innocent defendant convicted ...
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 10:43:17 AM »
or innocent defendant convicted ...

Yes.  Very true.  It does go both ways.
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 02:49:29 PM »
You make a valid distinction, OC.  However, in my personal experience attorneys are driven by ego.  Winning is their objective, and who the enemy is or whether the client is guilty means very little.  In fact, many of them get a bigger thrill out of getting a guilty client off for the simple reason that it is a greater tribute to their persuasive abilities.  I have also had many dealings with politicians, and they think the same way.  That's why it is no wonder that so many politicians come from the bar.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

  - William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1765-1769.


"it is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."

  - Moses Maimonides, The Commandments, Neg. Comm. 290, at 269-271 (Charles B. Chavel trans., 1967).


"it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer"

  - Benjamin Franklin, 9 Benjamin Franklin, Works 293 (1970); Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Benjamin Vaughan (14 March 1785).*

*n.b., a similar statement is often attributed to Thos. Jefferson, but my quickie research couldn't find a reliable source to confirm that attribution


"It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.'"

  - John Adams, defending British soldiers charged with murder for their role in the Boston Massacre.


Abraham drew near, and said, "Will you consume the righteous with the wicked?  What if there are fifty righteous within the city?  Will you consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous who are in it?  ... What if ten are found there?"  He [The Lord] said, "I will not destroy it for the ten's sake."

  - Genesis 18:23-32.


"And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:  and there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.  And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;  yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.  And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily.  Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

  - Luke 18:1-8 (authorized King James Version).


The Lord works in mysterious ways, for even the vain and egotistic defense lawyer is still doing God's work.


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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 02:51:00 PM »
Contrariwise,  few prosecutors may lay claim to that same mantle, for there is almost always a degree of political cunning and a taint of vengeance in their acts.

"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.'"

  - Romans 12:19

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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 05:35:49 PM »
OC, I am not saying we should do away with defense attorneys, nor am I saying that they do not have a vital role to play.  I am simply making an observation about the type of personalities who tend to gravitate to the profession.

''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers,''
Henry VI,'' Part II, act IV, Scene II
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Re: Liberals are destroying our black communities with the best of intentions
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 05:57:06 PM »
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