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Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« on: February 23, 2014, 09:12:22 AM »
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 03:51:10 PM »
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2014, 03:57:18 PM »
Exactly! No doubt about it!

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 11:22:03 AM »
the domino effect is not a particularly strong argument - other than as an excuse for otherwise unwarranted military intervention.

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 11:26:51 AM »
the domino effect is not a particularly strong argument - other than as an excuse for otherwise unwarranted military intervention.

Except for the fact that the domino effect argument was absolutely spot on correct in the case of Vietnam I suppose not!

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 11:27:50 AM »
Except for the fact that the domino effect argument was absolutely spot on correct in the case of Vietnam I suppose not!



Ri-i-i-i-i-ght.  How many of those supposed dominoes toppled after Vietnam?  Not enough to justify calling it a theory as opposed to an excuse.

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 11:44:59 AM »

Ri-i-i-i-i-ght.  How many of those supposed dominoes toppled after Vietnam?  Not enough to justify calling it a theory as opposed to an excuse.

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 11:27:51 PM »
ROFLMAO! What ever you say councilor!

facts are stubborn things, aren't they?  And the facts say that the number of dominoes that fell was not sufficient to confirm the domino theory.

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 09:26:21 AM »
facts are stubborn things, aren't they?  And the facts say that the number of dominoes that fell was not sufficient to confirm the domino theory.

Indeed they are and I say the facts entirely validate the domino theory.

Here are the facts in as condensed  a form as I can present them.

In 1975 South Vietnam fell followed shortly by Laos and Cambodia. THE DOMINO THEORY PROVED TO BE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

Due to the length of the Vietnam War the other countries in SEA that might have been vulnerable had time to get their economies and security in order, and proved to be less at risk then they might have been in 1954 or even 1964. Also, the treatment of the Buddhists, particularly in Cambodia, offended the Thai people so badly it was unlikely they would have support a Communist takeover in the aftermath of the Vietnam War.

http://www.peterleeson.com/Domino_Theory.pdf
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 09:53:11 AM »
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 02:12:02 PM »
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

--John Adams


Indeed they are, which is why your argument falls flat.  If all of the dominoes do not fall, then the domino theory is false.  Not all the dominoes fell.  Therefore the domino theory is false.  QED

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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 02:33:43 PM »
Ukrainians want to have the standard of living of Czech Republic (GDP=$27000 per capita), not Uzbekistan (GDP=$3500 per capita).
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 06:56:10 AM »
Fearing the spread of communism was a national obsession in the postwar days. On the geopolitical front it was more a game of chess than Domino's. The US clandestinely supported Ho Chi Minh's guerrillas attempt to oust the Vichy French who had tried to reoccupy Vietnam after World War II. Then, as in Middle East politics today, Ho Chi Minh became an enemy of the US when it was america's turn in Vietnam a decade later.

Maybe with our new Camelot administration, Obama should begin sending "advisers" to Ukraine? Dominos anyone?
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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 09:49:10 PM »
Fearing the spread of communism was a national obsession in the postwar days. On the geopolitical front it was more a game of chess than Domino's. The US clandestinely supported Ho Chi Minh's guerrillas attempt to oust the Vichy French who had tried to reoccupy Vietnam after World War II. Then, as in Middle East politics today, Ho Chi Minh became an enemy of the US when it was america's turn in Vietnam a decade later.

Maybe with our new Camelot administration, Obama should begin sending "advisers" to Ukraine? Dominos anyone?




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Re: Why a new Ukraine is the Kremlin's worst nightmare
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 09:49:40 PM »
Ukrainians want to have the standard of living of Czech Republic (GDP=$27000 per capita), not Uzbekistan (GDP=$3500 per capita).

I'd like them to have the former rather than the latter, too.


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