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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 05:44:26 PM »
Excellent piece, thank you for posting it.

And let me put it this way:  For me, it isn't about "liking" Ted Cruz or Mike Lee or Louie Gohmert, and not "liking" John Boehner or Mitch McConnell.

It is about the fact that I believe (with all of my mind and heart) that continuing along the Establishment path is never going to fix anything, and just continue to make it worse.  I'm not sure if it is already "too late" (in many respects I think we all understand that it is), but it is pretty apparent that we need a radical change in direction (such as offered by Cruz, Lee, and a small group of others) if there is to be any hope at all.

And I know that many will not agree with this part, and that is fine by me, but I also don't believe a Senate and House majority (if it is led and filled with Establishment Republicans) is going to do anything that will amount to a hill of beans to stop the decline and begin to fix the problems.  I simply just don't.  It is as many have expressed here: the Establishment Republicans just want to be the ones managing the Big Government, they seriously have no interest in dismantling it.

Of course this is one of those propositions that I would love to be proven wrong on.  Very much so.  So maybe we will see, maybe they will defeat all/most  of the primary challengers and win enough seats to create a Senate Republican Majority led by Mitch McConnell.  And then maybe we will see what happens....  As I said, this is one in which I hope that I am totally wrong (for the sake of our children and grandchildren especially).  I'd love to eat crow on this one, big time.

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 06:11:51 PM »
Excellent piece, thank you for posting it.

And let me put it this way:  For me, it isn't about "liking" Ted Cruz or Mike Lee or Louie Gohmert, and not "liking" John Boehner or Mitch McConnell.

It is about the fact that I believe (with all of my mind and heart) that continuing along the Establishment path is never going to fix anything, and just continue to make it worse.  I'm not sure if it is already "too late" (in many respects I think we all understand that it is), but it is pretty apparent that we need a radical change in direction (such as offered by Cruz, Lee, and a small group of others) if there is to be any hope at all.

And I know that many will not agree with this part, and that is fine by me, but I also don't believe a Senate and House majority (if it is led and filled with Establishment Republicans) is going to do anything that will amount to a hill of beans to stop the decline and begin to fix the problems.  I simply just don't.  It is as many have expressed here: the Establishment Republicans just want to be the ones managing the Big Government, they seriously have no interest in dismantling it.

Of course this is one of those propositions that I would love to be proven wrong on.  Very much so.  So maybe we will see, maybe they will defeat all/most  of the primary challengers and win enough seats to create a Senate Republican Majority led by Mitch McConnell.  And then maybe we will see what happens....  As I said, this is one in which I hope that I am totally wrong (for the sake of our children and grandchildren especially).  I'd love to eat crow on this one, big time.

Well said.

It saddens me to see what has happened at NRO. To think people like Kathleen Parker and David Frum were allowed to reside there speaks volumes about what has happened. Rich Lowry isn't even a pale copy of Buckley.   These days their biggest event is the yearly cruise which is pretty much nothing but a GOPe-like vacation... and the following is the type of thing that comes from those cruises...

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what Republicans who complain about the circular firing squad really want is a semi-circular firing squad. These voices in the Republican Party want conservatives to stop shooting at them, while they try to take out insurgent conservatives.



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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 06:54:04 PM »
It is very painful Rap, and you are totally correct about NRO.  What troubles me the most is that had more of us (myself included, I put myself at the top of the too "fat and happy" and self-absorbed for too long list) been paying attention decades  ago, we may have been able to prevent a great deal of this decline.

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 07:19:36 PM »
katz I am glad to see you posting more..I do enjoy reading your posts.

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 07:20:55 PM »
Good posts, Katz and Rap! The republicans don't have the taste for doing the job correctly, particularly when something uncomfortable applies. They can be equated to doctors who get sick at the sight of blood. Neither can be successful at their jobs.

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 07:26:09 PM »
katz I am glad to see you posting more..I do enjoy reading your posts.
Thanks, Myst.  I have periods when I can't bring myself to post much, just sort of read and grit my teeth.  Then I go through periods when I can't keep my big mouth shut!!  lol

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 07:53:03 PM »
The establishment is getting REALLY worried me thinks!

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 07:59:35 PM »
The establishment is getting REALLY worried me thinks!

All the money in the world won't force people to vote and without the votes the establishment is in big trouble,

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Re: Republican firing squad: Shooting conservatives, not defeating liberals
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 12:33:39 AM »
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Conservatives are not afraid of the circular firing squad, and this time, it is not the conservatives who will surrender in the last chapter of the Republican civil war.

Then they're idiots.  Nobody survives a circular firing squad - that's where the term's metaphorical impact lies.


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