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UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« on: February 22, 2014, 11:42:41 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/21/UAW-Attacks-Rule-of-Law-Asks-NLRB-to-Void-VW-Election-Results

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"I think [the UAW] have an uphill battle because normally there are 'laboratory conditions;' neither the union nor the employer can make incendiary comments," Farelli said. "Volkswagen didn't make those type [of] comments. The union would have to show the employer made those comments violating those 'laboratory conditions.'"

Though Tennessee Republican Senator Bob Corker made public remarks prior to the vote that a successful UAW vote would hurt future Volkswagen expansion, Farelli explained that "the law doesn't cover outside groups. They would have to show Volkswagen was coordinating efforts with the outside groups... Bob Corker is not an agent of the employer."

In its complaint, however, the UAW decided to ask the NLRB to break new ground. It alleged that Corker's comments "intended to coerce employees to vote against UAW."

The NLRB, dominated now by Obama administration appointees, may be so emboldened by the lack of any successful pushback against numerous other Obama administration violations of constitutional constraints on executive branch power grabs that it will decide to change the law on its own.


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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 12:01:00 PM »
Does anybody think workers are all-of-a-sudden going to vote in a union in a second ballot?

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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 01:19:56 PM »
The NLRB is in Obama's pocket. They will go against the people, and some liberal judge will over-ride the workers' wishes.  Obamaville is corrupt to the core.
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 01:23:39 PM »
The NLRB is in Obama's pocket. They will go against the people, and some liberal judge will over-ride the workers' wishes.  Obamaville is corrupt to the core.


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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 01:28:59 PM »
The NLRB is in Obama's pocket. They will go against the people, and some liberal judge will over-ride the workers' wishes.  Obamaville is corrupt to the core.

A judge can't install the UAW at VW.  Only an election can.  And the NLRB has no legal basis on which to overturn the recent election.
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 01:34:47 PM »
A judge can't install the UAW at VW.  Only an election can.  And the NLRB has no legal basis on which to overturn the recent election.

This is a new era. Obamaville will have its way, even if illegally, or haven't you notice?

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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 01:37:35 PM »
This is a new era. Obamaville will have its way, even if illegally, or haven't you notice?
Yeah, pretty much. He has a pen. If he thinks he can issue an executive order to unionize every worker in the USA, he'll do it.  **nononono*
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 02:52:21 PM »
What is so disturbing is that it seems that VW/Germany wanted the plant to be unionized as it is in the home country.   Sickening.

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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 03:09:27 PM »
What is so disturbing is that it seems that VW/Germany wanted the plant to be unionized as it is in the home country.   Sickening.
Why disturbing? Germany has had a very successful post WWII economy, and the labor-management model there is different.

Their model is cooperative, not adversarial. It has worked for them. Certainly it is better than the model used in the USA which is adversarial.

But the management of the US auto makers should be blamed for running their businesses into the ground, by agreeing to union demands, and building vehicles which the buyers lost interest in over the decades.
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 12:59:24 AM »
Why disturbing? Germany has had a very successful post WWII economy, and the labor-management model there is different.

Their model is cooperative, not adversarial. It has worked for them. Certainly it is better than the model used in the USA which is adversarial.

But the management of the US auto makers should be blamed for running their businesses into the ground, by agreeing to union demands, and building vehicles which the buyers lost interest in over the decades.

regardless of what one thinks of unions, your basic point is very valid:  labor/management relations in Germany are substantially different than they are in the US, and attempting to crudely compare them is a serious mistake - and this caveat goes both for VW's German management as well as the poster you responded to.  I am inclined to think that German management would have gotten some surprises when faced with how the UAW would act had the union been voted in.
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2014, 01:39:48 AM »
I am inclined to think that German management would have gotten some surprises when faced with how the UAW would act had the union been voted in.
On that point I agree, but looking at the impoverished quality of American automakers for a long time, caving to the UAW to the extent of running their business into the ground, versus German management, I would expect VW to be able to deal better, as well.

It has been pointed out here that VW pays their non-union workers in Tennessee more than UAW workers. So in that sense, they took away the single most significant aspect of unionization.

And my guess is that there was more than appeared on the surface, of VW's openness to unionization.
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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2014, 11:04:19 AM »
On that point I agree, but looking at the impoverished quality of American automakers for a long time, caving to the UAW to the extent of running their business into the ground, versus German management, I would expect VW to be able to deal better, as well.

It has been pointed out here that VW pays their non-union workers in Tennessee more than UAW workers. So in that sense, they took away the single most significant aspect of unionization.

And my guess is that there was more than appeared on the surface, of VW's openness to unionization.

That's an interesting point about the pay differential; perhaps that was part of the vote against unionization.

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Re: UAW Asks NLRB to Void Union Loss at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2014, 01:36:46 PM »
That's an interesting point about the pay differential; perhaps that was part of the vote against unionization.


They make $5 n hour more starting out in Tn than up north, according to TN congresswoman Blackburn the THE workers found out days before the vote UAW had worked a deal the TN workers would be paid the same as the northern counterparts and this more than anything is why the vote went the way it did, she said until this factoid was leaked the UAW was winning the majority, she also said a revote would probably be even more noes than the first.  Frankly no wonder VW was okay with this..
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