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Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« on: February 21, 2014, 05:54:10 PM »
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Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
posted at 4:01 pm on February 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Ace. “Not only would parents have to attend” if they want their kid to pass sixth grade, notes Walter Olson at Cato, “but for good measure the bill would require employers to bestow a paid day off each year for employees who are parents to do so.” Sounds good to some New Yorkers, as you’re about to see.

Here’s the bill, which you can read in 30 seconds. The state would put together workshops on 12 different subjects with parents required to attend four, one of which must be a workshop on sexual abuse. That’s the bill’s saving grace potentially; even Democrats who might otherwise balk at forcing parents to take state instruction on caring for their kids (are there any Democrats like that left?) will think twice before opposing a law that seeks to prevent child abuse. And for the ones who won’t balk, this makes for a nice foothold for future expansions of state oversight into largely private matters. Bloomberg’s much-mocked Big Gulp ban operated the same way. It was a small inconvenience in practice, but the principle is significant. That’s why it was worth his time.

Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.

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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 05:53:17 AM »
Obviously, conservatives will be unwelcome at the classes as Cuomo sees no need for them to even be in the state. :tongue2:
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »
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Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.
Don't care. He's still wrong on this issue, and all the good intentions (preventing child abuse) mean nothing when its a question of ceding more control of your own family over to government.
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 02:02:37 PM »
Some churches offer or require marriage counseling before they will marry a couple. This is when that sort of thing might come up. The government is certainly not the place.

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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 04:06:58 PM »
Will muslims be required to go to the classes, especially if the bride in only 7?  Or will they get a pass from de Blasio?
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 08:18:30 AM »
In related news from the Empire State ...
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De Blasio, wife overlooking parents in pre-K push
By Michael Goodwin
February 23, 2014 | 2:27am

She calls universal pre-kindergarten “the defining issue of our times” and the “civil-rights issue of our times.” She invokes Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr., Harriet Tubman, ­Sojourner Truth and Thurgood Marshall in calling for tax hikes to pay for more programs.

She cites statistics about brain ­development in children, saying at one event that 85 percent occurs before the age of 5, upping it to 90 percent at another. She talks about the 1954 Supreme Court decision, Brown v. Board of Education, that desegregated schools, and claims that “New York’s public schools are among the most segregated in the nation.”

When it comes to early education, the only thing New York City’s first lady, Chirlane McCray, doesn’t mention is parenting. Until she does, she’s guilty of neglecting the biggest force for change.

McCray’s husband, Mayor de Blasio, called her “my best friend in the world, my closest confidante, my No. 1 adviser” and gave her an official job and staff. It’s safe to say, then, that she’s on message when she trots out the heroes of the civil-rights movement to rally support for his agenda. Coming from a black woman, that invocation is meant to assert moral ­authority and move Albany lawmakers to support the $2.6 billion tax hike de Blasio demands.

In truth, McCray’s approach is misguided and creates a false equivalency. Likening school failure to the race-based denial of civil rights paints modern society as the embodiment of Bull Connor, the Alabama official who loosed water hoses and snarling dogs on black marchers in ­Birmingham 50 years ago.

The suggestion to mostly black audiences that they must mobilize because the city is putting up impediments to African-American students defies reality. New York already spends more than $20 billion on education, much of it specifically directed to help poor, nonwhite children. Still, the racial achievement gap remains stuck at high levels.

As de Blasio has noted, only 11 percent of black city school grads are ready for college or careers.

Yet the first couple’s ideological bent, which favors collective society over individuals and families, leads them to believe the best ways to help children are found outside the home. They are looking in the wrong places.

So far, they display no interest in the mountain of studies showing that children raised in stable, two-parent families are far more likely to succeed in school and life. Conversely, dysfunctional families usually produce dysfunctional children, no matter the buffet of social programs.

Consider that, year in, year out, about 45 percent of city children are born out of wedlock. The total hits 90 percent in some black and Hispanic neighborhoods, and 70 percent in all The Bronx.

Attendance is another fundamental key to school success. One study found that 24 percent of black third- and fourth-graders in New York missed more than a month of school. The figure was 23 percent for Latino children, 12 percent for whites and 4 percent for Asians. Attendance rates are early predictors of graduation rates because most children who fall behind don’t catch up.

Of course, some children overcome the odds of bad or missing parents, usually thanks to heroic single mothers and, increasingly, charter schools. But too many others end up as broken souls, destroying themselves and others in lives of crime, addiction and prison.

I don’t doubt that the mayor and his wife sincerely want to help poor children. They are devoted to their own kids and discuss their daughter’s substance-abuse problems and their son’s delayed speech abilities to try to connect with their audiences.

But good intentions can’t substitute for facts. And the facts conclusively point to the two-parent family as the most reliable route to student success and financial security.

If they were to accept that reality and spread the word, their voices could lead to lasting change. Imagine if McCray and de Blasio barnstormed poor neighborhoods and preached the gospel of family and personal responsibility. Imagine if they stopped pushing for higher taxes and started pushing against teen pregnancy.

Imagine if they made a habit of attending weddings for young couples. Imagine if they made it cool to live by the old virtues of patience, sacrifice, thrift and family. Imagine if they repeated the mantra that finishing high school, getting a job and getting married before having children is the closest thing to a guaranteed life free of poverty.

None of those ideas qualifies as progressive politics, but they offer something much better: proven paths to progress.
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2014, 09:14:01 AM »
It seems to me the people McCray cites as proof of the benefit of education are  proof positive it isn't.  They all made it in spite of programs that made difficult for them to succeed.  It shows more the individual can do well - IF they have the desire.  I also find it interesting she failed to mention Dr. Ben Carson who overcame nearly impossible conditions as a youth.  Of course he is a conservative and doesn't believe the government needs to take care of every phase of our lives.
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2014, 09:35:07 AM »
And with all of these problems so blatantly obvious, the ongoing destruction of the family in the black community in particular, and we still have race hustlers out there invoking "moral authority" to continue more of the same destructive programs that have put the American black community in the position they are in today.

Do you realize, that Black Americans could qualify for immediate coverage under the endangered species act because there are more black babies killed before birth than are born alive??  Because those that do survive have a 70% chance of being born to a single mother?? Because young black males stand a very poor chance of surviving to adulthood??  Because there is nothing discouraging young black males from fathering as many illegitimate offspring as they can, generation after generation after generation??

How many of you ladies here had more than one grandchildren before you were 40??

The solutions to this come from within, and as long as the inmates run the asylum, things will only get worse.


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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2014, 09:43:31 AM »
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Re: Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 03:48:56 PM »
Because there is nothing discouraging young black males from fathering as many illegitimate offspring as they can, generation after generation after generation??

How many of you ladies here had more than one grandchildren before you were 40??
When I worked in child support enforcement part of the job included filing paternity cases on behalf of children whose mamas received AFDC. The welfare recipients - our clients -  included 35-year-old grandmothers and their teenaged daughters who were receiving benefits for their little offspring. I filed paternity cases against men who should have been charged with statutory rape instead.  **nononono*
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