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Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« on: February 20, 2014, 08:34:00 AM »
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Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
Thursday, February 20, 2014 06:11 AM

 

Fierce clashes between police and protesters — some including gunfire — shattered a brief truce in Ukraine's besieged capital Thursday, killing at least 19 people.

The deaths came in a new eruption of violence just hours after the country's embattled president and the opposition leaders demanding his resignation called for a truce and negotiations to try to resolve Ukraine's political crisis.

The two sides are locked in a decades-long battle over the identity of this nation of 46 million, whose loyalties are divided between Russia and the West. Parts of the country— mostly in its western cities — are in open revolt against President Viktor Yanukovych's central government.

An Associated Press reporter saw 18 bodies Thursday laid out on the edge of the sprawling protest encampment in central Kiev, the capital. In addition, one policeman was killed and 28 suffered gunshot wounds Thursday, Interior Ministry spokesman Serhiy Burlakov told the AP.

Those numbers Thursday brought the week's death toll to at least 45 in Kiev.

As the violence exploded and heavy smoke from burning barricades at the encampment belched into the sky, the foreign ministers of three European countries met with Yanukovych, after their meeting with the opposition leaders.

Later Thursday in Brussels, the 28-nation European Union was scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Ukraine, to consider sanctions against those behind the violence.

The latest bout of street violence began Tuesday when protesters attacked police lines and set fires outside parliament, accusing Yanukovych of ignoring their demands to enact constitutional reforms that would limit the president's power — a key opposition demand. Parliament, dominated by his supporters, was stalling on taking up a constitutional reform to limit presidential powers.

In a statement early Thursday, the Ukrainian Health Ministry said 28 people have died and 287 have been hospitalized during the two days of street violence. Protesters, who have set up a medical care facility in a downtown cathedral, say the numbers of injured are significantly higher — possibly double or triple that.

A statement from the Interior Ministry on Thursday said the gunfire against officers appeared to be coming from the national music conservatory in Kiev, which is on the edge of the downtown square housing an extensive protest tent camp.

Also Thursday, the parliament building was evacuated because of fears protesters were preparing to storm it, said parliament spokeswoman Irina Karnelyuk.

The clashes this week have been the most deadly since protests kicked off three months ago after Yanukovych shelved an association agreement with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia. Russia then announced a $15 billion bailout for Ukraine, whose economy is in tatters.

Although the initial weeks of protests were determinedly peaceful, radicals helped drive an outburst of clashes with police in January in which at least three people died, and the day of violence on Tuesday may have radicalized many more.

Political and diplomatic maneuvering has continued, with both Moscow and the West eager to gain influence over this former Soviet republic. Three EU foreign ministers — from Germany, France and Poland — were in Kiev Thursday speaking with both sides.

President Barack Obama also stepped in to condemn the violence, warning Wednesday "there will be consequences" for Ukraine if it continues. The U.S. has raised the prospect of joining with the EU to impose sanctions against Ukraine.

Russia's Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, described the violence as an attempted coup and even used the phrase "brown revolution," an allusion to the Nazi rise to power in Germany in 1933. The ministry said Russia would use "all our influence to restore peace and calm."

Neither side had appeared willing to compromise, with the opposition insisting on Yanukovych's resignation and an early election and the president apparently prepared to fight until the end.

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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 09:50:59 PM »
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The violence continues to escalate on both sides.  The video coming out of Kiev is appalling.  This has gone well past the point of mere protest and they are banging on civil war right now.

My biggest fear is what will most certainly happen when the Russians decide they have had enough and intervene on the side of the Ukrainian government, such as it is.  This could turn into a bloodbath like not even the Soviets pulled off.  The situation is very serious and getting worse.




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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 09:52:35 PM »
What is it to stop Putin? Certainly not Obama. 
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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 10:00:31 PM »
What is it to stop Putin? Certainly not Obama.

Russia will intercede, Obama will applaud them for doing so,  and the Ukrainians will be screwed yet again!
 
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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 10:10:28 PM »
Russia will intercede, Obama will applaud them for doing so,  and the Ukrainians will be screwed yet again!

and they are bordered by five NATO nations giving Putin exactly what he wants...
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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 10:25:55 PM »


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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 10:30:31 PM »
and they are bordered by five NATO nations giving Putin exactly what he wants...

50% of the Ukranian people apparently want to return to Russian rule as a satellite country.


....just like 50% of the people here in our country have been duped into accepting Socialist Marxism.

So that must be taken into account.  This started as a direct result of the Ukranian president reneging on a deal where he'd break with Putin on some trade agreement....wasn't it?
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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 11:02:54 PM »
50% of the Ukranian people apparently want to return to Russian rule as a satellite country.


....just like 50% of the people here in our country have been duped into accepting Socialist Marxism.

So that must be taken into account.  This started as a direct result of the Ukranian president reneging on a deal where he'd break with Putin on some trade agreement....wasn't it?

I don't think 50% of the people want Russia when their Parliament just voted, in a landslide, to pull back the "anti-terrorist"  operations and release jailed protesters. 

And I think you've all got this wrong about Obama.  He's not on Putin's side.  I think he's got a hand in this somewhere.  Showing Putin he can stir up $h!t in his back yard.   A "mine's bigger than your's" contest where civilians die.    Disgusting.

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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 11:10:48 PM »
I don't think 50% of the people want Russia when their Parliament just voted, in a landslide, to pull back the "anti-terrorist"  operations and release jailed protesters. 

And I think you've all got this wrong about Obama.  He's not on Putin's side.  I think he's got a hand in this somewhere.  Showing Putin he can stir up $h!t in his back yard.   A "mine's bigger than your's" contest where civilians die.    Disgusting.

I get the exact opposite feeling.   As far as the image between the two men.  Putin could care less if violence breaks out in Ukraine...just like Obama could care less if violence breaks out in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, or lately Saudi Arabia.

When you're eying the spoils of war, you can sip wine from a safe distance.
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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 11:20:50 PM »
I get the exact opposite feeling.   As far as the image between the two men.  Putin could care less if violence breaks out in Ukraine...just like Obama could care less if violence breaks out in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, or lately Saudi Arabia.

When you're eying the spoils of war, you can sip wine from a safe distance.

I believe you're right about Putin not caring about violence in Ukraine.  But what he does care about is the country becoming part of the EU and not under Russian influence. 

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Re: Truce Collapses in Ukraine, Violence Intensifies
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 11:58:00 PM »
I believe you're right about Putin not caring about violence in Ukraine.  But what he does care about is the country becoming part of the EU and not under Russian influence.

It's Budapest, 1956 all over again.  The Ukraine will never be allowed to fall under the EU...especially with a neutered West.
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