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Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« on: February 19, 2014, 12:01:58 AM »
The abuses became intolerable...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc</a>

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... and the people lost all fear.

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The crowds in Venezuela are chanting "we will not stand for a Cuban style dictatorship."

God bless them, and see them through the night.
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 12:17:41 AM »
Speaking of which.....has anyone seen Sean Penn since Hugo assumed room temperature????

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 01:04:33 AM »
One can only hope...

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 09:13:25 AM »
Speaking of which.....has anyone seen Sean Penn since Hugo assumed room temperature????

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He's been dating Charlize Theron, who is a heck of a lot more attractive than that ol' commie Hugo!
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 09:16:21 AM »
It was Venezuela's youth who took to the streets at the onset of the protests, it now appears that the demonstrations are made up of a far broader cut of the population.

Social media is being used as both organizational tools, and to establish communications between protesters and their families.


The poster reads:  Mother, I have gone to fight for Venezuela. If I don't return I left (fell) with her. Wednesday 4 AM Plaza Monumental.

The faces have been cut out in order to protect the individuals.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 09:16:41 AM by Luis Gonzalez »
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 09:19:31 AM »
The crowds are chanting "Y no, Y no, Y no me da la gana, una dictadura como la Cubana"

Rough translation:

No, no, and I don't want, a dictatorship like they have in Cuba... the chant works WAY better in Spanish.
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 09:19:43 AM »
Watched a segment on the news yesterday....an elderly Venezuelan woman and a very young girl about fifteen years old....were both interviewed and watching them articulate their suffering, etc.,....first thing I thought of was, WHY AREN'T YOU COVERING YOUR FACES??




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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 09:25:42 AM »
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(Reuters) - Venezuelan security forces arrested opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez on Tuesday on charges of fomenting unrest that has killed at least four people, bringing tens of thousands of his angry supporters onto the streets of Caracas.

Crowds of white-clad protesters tried to block the vehicle carrying the 42-year-old Harvard-educated economist after he made a defiant speech, said an emotional farewell to his family, and gave himself up to soldiers.

Opposition leaders hope Lopez's arrest will galvanize street demonstrations against President Nicolas Maduro, though there is no immediate sign the protests will topple the socialist leader.

"I am handing myself over to an unfair justice system," the protest leader told supporters, standing on a platform next to a statue of Cuban poet and independence hero Jose Marti.

"May my imprisonment serve to wake the people up."

The crowd lifted his wife up to give him a final embrace and hang a crucifix around his neck.

Minutes later, he surrendered to military officers, pumping his fist and then stepping into the military vehicle with a Venezuelan flag in one hand and a white flower in the other.

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'CHAVEZ LIVES!'

In a nation split largely down the middle on political lines, 'Chavistas' have stayed loyal to Maduro despite unflattering comparisons with his famously charismatic predecessor. Many Venezuelans fear the loss of popular, oil-funded welfare programs should the socialist lose power.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1H0WU20140219?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637


The shape of things to come?

When the producing class finally decides it has had enough, the "free stuff" leeches fight back to defend their entitlements.

We're headed that way.
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 09:38:43 AM »
The shape of things to come?

When the producing class finally decides it has had enough, the "free stuff" leeches fight back to defend their entitlements.

We're headed that way.

I'm not as well versed on Venezuela as you seem to be. But, from where I sit, it does look startlingly similar. Venezuela had "elected" a charismatic leader who was anti business and not very good at running the country. He was very politically adept. Now that he's gone, there is a void, and his poor policies are costing the country dearly.

We have "elected" a charismatic leader who is anti business and inept. But he and his handlers are well versed in the Chicago way. They get done what they want to get done. When Obama is out of office, the stuff is going to hit the fan. Honestly, I have no idea why anyone would want that job after Obama. It's going to be a mess that will be blamed on the office holder, not Obama.

One striking difference between Chavez and Obama: It seemed Chavez loved Venezuela, (not as much as he loved himself, but he did love his country), and worked at his job, even if he was lousy at it. Obama is lazy, and I don't think he has any particular affection for America or Americans.

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 09:57:15 AM »
He's been dating Charlize Theron, who is a heck of a lot more attractive than that ol' commie Hugo!

yah....but Sean was reported to be heartbroken and went into seclusion to mourn when Hugo suddenly departed the pattern.......

I know Charlize could certainly cure any case of blues I ever had.........

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 10:28:31 AM »
The abuses became intolerable...

... and the people lost all fear.

The crowds in Venezuela are chanting "we will not stand for a Cuban style dictatorship."

God bless them, and see them through the night.

Luis, you may not know but, in a past life I worked extensively in Central and South America.  I have such a love for the vibrancy and devotion of Latin people.  One of my dearest friends (who I lost a couple years ago) was an exile from Cuba.  Geno was simply amazing.  So much of who I am came from him and the Latin people.  I share your prayer - as heartfelt as I know.
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2014, 12:23:18 AM »

@backatone000 2h

#Venezuelans waiting for food!! Obama silent on the plight of Venezuela citizens @NicholasMaduro you're a thug pic.twitter.com/QLtYf2uMys
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2014, 12:24:36 AM »
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#Venuezuela sign says... The only thing in the freezer is the dead!! pic.twitter.com/37qJE7GCEG

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2014, 12:26:33 AM »
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The people of Venezuela waiting in line to get rations cards. How does this happen in a wealthy country?Hello America pic.twitter.com/LGRBXG456Z




@backatone000 8h

Getting tattoo in Venezuela for food rations. The second riches country in the world, is ruled by a thug bus driver pic.twitter.com/bxvNbtk0cT

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2014, 12:37:30 AM »
@backatone000 1h

#Venuezuela sign says... The only thing in the freezer is the dead!! pic.twitter.com/37qJE7GCEG



The sign translates as "the only full freezer is that of the morgue"

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2014, 08:28:21 AM »
Is Biden speaking with administration approval?
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Biden says Venezuela 'concocting' bogus stories

Biden accuses Venezuela of using 'armed vigilantes' against peaceful anti-government protests
By Frank Bajak, Associated Press | Associated Press – 1 hr 26 mins ago.

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden calls Venezuela's situation alarming in remarks published Sunday, suggesting its government is using "armed vigilantes" against peaceful protesters and accusing it of "concocting false and outlandish conspiracy theories" about the United States.

Biden's remarks, issued in writing to a Chilean newspaper in response to questions, drew an angry rebuke from Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

"We reject their aggression," President Maduro told supporters at a rally the socialist-led government held at the presidential palace. "They were defeated in the OAS and now they want revenge."

The U.S. had strongly objected to a declaration of solidarity for Venezuela issued by the Organization of American States on Friday night.

Washington said the declaration contradicted the OAS charter, in part, by stressing non-intervention in Venezuela over guaranteeing that human rights and free speech are respected there. Twenty-nine states voted in favor of Friday night's declaration with only the United States, Canada and Panama objecting.

"The situation in Venezuela reminds me of previous eras, when strongmen governed through violence and oppression; and human rights, hyperinflation, scarcity, and grinding poverty wrought havoc on the people of the hemisphere," Biden told El Mercurio.

"The situation in Venezuela is alarming," he wrote. "Confronting peaceful protesters with force and in some cases with armed vigilantes; limiting the freedoms of press and assembly necessary for legitimate political debate; demonizing and arresting political opponents; and dramatically tightening restrictions on the media" is not what Washington expects from a signatory to international human rights treaties.

Rather than engaging the opposition in a "genuine dialogue," Biden added, "Maduro has thus far tried to distract his people from the profound issues at stake in Venezuela by concocting totally false and outlandish conspiracy theories about the United States."

Maduro claims student-led protests that ignited Feb. 12, mostly peaceful but including almost daily street clashes with security forces, are an attempt by the extreme right to overthrow him.

The demonstrations have been joined mostly by middle-class Venezuelans fed up with inflation that reached 56 percent last year, chronic shortages of some food staples, and one of the world's highest murder rates. But some poorer Venezuelans, students in particular, are taking part. The government says 21 people have died.

On Sunday afternoon in eastern Caracas, about 100 demonstrators threw rocks at police, who responded with tear gas and water cannon. Some protesters tore a bus kiosk from the sidewalk and set it ablaze, providing authorities with an opportunity to repeat on state media its accusation that anti-government activists are vandals.

Despite a growing body of evidence to the contrary, Maduro on Sunday denied that armed paramilitary supporters of the government have employed violence against protesters.

"The only violent armed groups in the street are those of the right," he told the crowd.

In a statement issued by the presidency, Maduro also accused the opposition was "receiving financing from the United States" to undermine "a solid democracy that has had the popular backing in 18 elections over 15 years." He offered no evidence.

The statement said Venezuela was nevertheless interested in renewing" full diplomatic relations with the United States based on "mutual respect" and "non-intervention."

The two nations have been without ambassadors since 2010 and Venezuela has expelled eight U.S. diplomats in the past 13 months for alleged meddling.

Maduro, the hand-picked successor of the late Hugo Chavez, later met at the presidential palace with actor-activist Sean Penn and Haiti's prime minister. Penn is an ambassador-at-large for Haiti, where he runs a nonprofit aid group. He was shown on state television and made no public comments.

Biden and Maduro are both scheduled to attend Tuesday's swearing-in of Michelle Bachelet as Chile's president.

Bachelet, who was also Chile's president in 2006-10, recently said her administration will support Maduro's government and the Venezuelan people so they can "search for the democratic means to social peace."
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2014, 09:59:59 AM »

Rationing In Venezuela Brings Eerie Markings On People’s Arms



https://twitter.com/cwcarabia/status/442315176369328128

Venezuela Will Soon Begin Implementing A Food Rationing Card System Like In Cuba



http://weaselzippers.us/178793-venezuela-will-soon-begin-implementing-a-food-rationing-card-system-like-in-cuba/
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2014, 10:53:28 AM »
Rationing In Venezuela Brings Eerie Markings On People’s Arms



https://twitter.com/cwcarabia/status/442315176369328128

Venezuela Will Soon Begin Implementing A Food Rationing Card System Like In Cuba



http://weaselzippers.us/178793-venezuela-will-soon-begin-implementing-a-food-rationing-card-system-like-in-cuba/




Indeed.





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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2014, 12:02:46 PM »
The caption for the pic of people in line at the Makro supermarket indicates they're waiting for 2kg - basically two litres - of milk. This is the legacy of Obama's BFF Chavez.
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2014, 12:15:22 PM »
The caption for the pic of people in line at the Makro supermarket indicates they're waiting for 2kg - basically two litres - of milk. This is the legacy of Obama's BFF Chavez.

And all being conveniently ignored by our complicit press!
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2014, 12:19:56 PM »
Will the progressives complain when they have to line up/pull out a knife/gun for their non organic food?

How many young men have ZERO hunting survival skills? They took woodworking/mechanics/shop out of schools; what skills do they have other than a smartphone?
« Last Edit: March 10, 2014, 12:22:02 PM by Gazoo »
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2014, 12:29:22 PM »
Will the progressives complain when they have to line up/pull out a knife/gun for their non organic food?

How many young men have ZERO hunting survival skills? They took woodworking/mechanics/shop out of schools; what skills do they have other than a smartphone?

I have an idea that could certainly fulfill a need and in the process compensate you nicely.

Think of Summer Camp for children of all ages, with no electricity or public facilities.  No internet...no social media...no nothing.

The purpose is to teach/tap an individual's survival skills and find something each person can do that would contribute to the group or alliance.

The experience for any child should prove priceless....the value could be too...if and when the grid is shut down.
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 12:36:50 PM »
Thankfully, many kids in my area hunt and fish. Those of you in metropolitan areas may have to contend with roving bands of urban yoots whose idea of roughing it is ten minutes without an iPhone.   :whistle:
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 12:41:38 PM »
Thankfully, many kids in my area hunt and fish. Those of you in metropolitan areas may have to contend with roving bands of urban yoots whose idea of roughing it is ten minutes without an iPhone.   :whistle:

Once kids experience fishing and preparing/eating your catch, and living under the stars.....they'll forget all about FaceBook.


Then again of course, there's Lord of the Flies.....scenario   :pondering:
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Re: Meanwhile, in Venezuela
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2014, 12:43:16 PM »
I have an idea that could certainly fulfill a need and in the process compensate you nicely.

Think of Summer Camp for children of all ages, with no electricity or public facilities.  No internet...no social media...no nothing.

The purpose is to teach/tap an individual's survival skills and find something each person can do that would contribute to the group or alliance.

The experience for any child should prove priceless....the value could be too...if and when the grid is shut down.

Grand idea but by the time you paid for the insurance- accidental/injury *and* had to cover thy butt legally when the yuppie green kids tried to off themselves because of the torture. You would be without profit and sued all the way to the poor house. By the time it got all set-up, Obama/Holder would have the camp on the terror alert list. Even if you called it a boot-camp for kids and had parents sign waivers; Uncle Obama would tax the crap out of it and shut.it.down.
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