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Ukraine crisis: Police storm main Kiev 'Maidan' protest camp
« on: February 18, 2014, 08:48:23 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26249330

 18 February 2014 Last updated at 20:06 ET


Ukraine crisis: Police storm main Kiev 'Maidan' protest camp


The BBC's David Stern said the police were slowly moving into Independence Square

Police are storming the main protest camp in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, which has been occupied since November.

Explosions are taking place, fireworks are being thrown and large fires have broken out in Independence Square, known locally as the Maidan.

On Tuesday at least 18 people were killed, including seven policemen, in the worst violence seen in weeks.

Opposition leaders later met President Viktor Yanukovych but failed to find a solution to the crisis.

Vitaly Klitschko, leader of the opposition Udar (Punch) party, told Ukraine's Hromadske TV that the president had given the protesters only one option, leave the Maidan and go home.

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At the scene
Marta Shokalo BBC Ukrainian, Kiev

Exactly a month ago, the nation was shocked by the deaths of protesters during clashes with riot police in central Kiev. On Tuesday Ukrainians again saw dead bodies strewn on the city streets, dozens of injured people.

Despite the shock, many came to the main protest camp, the Maidan, to support activists trained to defend barricades from the riot police.

Crowds grew as streams of people, including women, headed to the Maidan. Many had to walk as Kiev's metro was completely shut down for the first time since Ukraine gained independence in 1991.

The authorities said they had closed the metro because of the danger of "terror acts" in the capital.

Meanwhile, Mr Yanukovych's aide said the president was preparing to address the nation, without providing further details.

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Re: Ukraine crisis: Police storm main Kiev 'Maidan' protest camp
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 09:05:51 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 09:15:32 PM »
The violence continues to escalate and it is only a matter of time before the Russian military jumps into this.  I expect to see massive civilian casualties in the very near future.  After all, who is going to stop them?? 


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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 10:45:49 PM »
The violence continues to escalate and it is only a matter of time before the Russian military jumps into this. 

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Perhaps that is one of the underlying points of this?  Not that the protestors (or the government) intend for it, but perhaps that, behind the scenes, it is Russia pulling the strings to foment violence.  After all, what better way to recapture the former soviet satellite states other than by "jumping in" to protect law and order, and then just sticking around - the way the US has stuck around in Afghanistan, say - and never leaving.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 02:15:30 PM »
Perhaps that is one of the underlying points of this?  Not that the protestors (or the government) intend for it, but perhaps that, behind the scenes, it is Russia pulling the strings to foment violence.  After all, what better way to recapture the former soviet satellite states other than by "jumping in" to protect law and order, and then just sticking around - the way the US has stuck around in Afghanistan, say - and never leaving.

That is a very good point!

I suspect that Putin will not make such a bold move quite yet--better to allow the Olympics to play out first--but that is just a few days away. 

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 02:30:49 PM »
Perhaps that is one of the underlying points of this?  Not that the protestors (or the government) intend for it, but perhaps that, behind the scenes, it is Russia pulling the strings to foment violence.  After all, what better way to recapture the former soviet satellite states other than by "jumping in" to protect law and order, and then just sticking around - the way the US has stuck around in Afghanistan, say - and never leaving.

Oh you bet your bippy it is.  And I think we've got an ugly hand in this too.  I think all the "nicey nice" we've seen between our countries is playing out in Ukraine, with it's people being the pawns.  The US and Russia are playing a game in this country to see who is stronger.  Shame on us both.

Russia is backing the Ukrainian government financially, the people of Ukraine don't want it.  They was more outreach to the EU.

I wouldn't put it past Obama and the rest of them to have orchestrated this in a "Mine's bigger than your's" contest with Putin.

My prayers go out to the people of Ukraine.  Only God can help them now.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 06:05:56 PM »
So will Russian troops roll into Kiev on Monday?

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 06:08:18 PM »
So will Russian troops roll into Kiev on Monday?

When are the Olympics over?

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 06:14:03 PM »
Perhaps that is one of the underlying points of this?  Not that the protestors (or the government) intend for it, but perhaps that, behind the scenes, it is Russia pulling the strings to foment violence.  After all, what better way to recapture the former soviet satellite states other than by "jumping in" to protect law and order, and then just sticking around - the way the US has stuck around in Afghanistan, say - and never leaving.

Wait till the fiasco in Sochi is over and the world's (short) attention turns to Ukraine full time.....


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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2014, 10:11:20 PM »
So will Russian troops roll into Kiev on Monday?

Possibly.  It all depends upon what Vladimir Putin considers most prudent, as he attempts to re-establish the previous Russian empire (a.k.a. the Soviet Union). 

I am guessing that the Obama administration's "clear" warning to stay out of this matter is not intimidating Mr. Putin--or even being taken quite seriously by him. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 11:19:10 PM »
Wait till the fiasco in Sochi is over and the world's (short) attention turns to Ukraine full time.....



Perhaps Obuttocks and Kerry will open the door (again) for Putin by threatening to send US troops into Ukraine?

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 12:18:19 AM »
Update:  Russia's military is now preparing for "war games" on the Russia-Ukraine border.

At the very least, this is intended as an act of intimidation.

Even more troubling, it could be a precursor to an invasian of Ukraine, as was the case in Georgia as recently as 2008.  (One need not go all the way back to Hungary in 1956, or Czechoslovakia in 1968, to find precedent for this sort of aggression, often disguised as an "invitation.")     
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 08:58:44 AM »
Update:  Russia's military is now preparing for "war games" on the Russia-Ukraine border.

At the very least, this is intended as an act of intimidation.

Even more troubling, it could be a precursor to an invasian of Ukraine, as was the case in Georgia as recently as 2008.  (One need not go all the way back to Hungary in 1956, or Czechoslovakia in 1968, to find precedent for this sort of aggression, often disguised as an "invitation.")     

I think we all know what this is prelude to

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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 03:26:30 PM »
As most people here are probably aware, Crimea--where Russia rents a warm-water port on the Black Sea; and which is therefore critical to Russia's navy--is in southern Ukraine.

Well, the Associated Press is now reporting that Russian troops have invaded southern Ukraine. 

Russia has now taken over several airports in that region.

Both Secretary of State John Kerry and Press Secretary Jay Carney have pontificated that the administration will be closely monitoring the situation, to see if any "line" has been "crossed." 

But we all know of President Obama's history as regarding lines; so I am guessing that Vladimir Putin is not trembling in his boots right now.

The UN Security Council is currently meeting behind closed doors, in order to try to calculate an appropriate response:  UPDATE 3-U.N. Security Council to hold emergency meeting on Ukraine crisis | Reuters

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2014, 07:48:36 PM »
I found the following post on another political forum; and I think it deserves to be reproduced:

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[T]he USA and Great Britain (and Russia) signed an assistance pact (thank you Bill Clinton) with Ukraine in exchange for them agreeing to do away with their nuclear arms. The full text of the agreement is below but I'm sure the Ukranian people are happy about THAT decision right about now.. :(
 
BUDAPEST AGREEMENT 1994
"Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
 
Confirm the following:
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
 
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.
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Try enforcing this one when Russia has a security council veto.
 John McCain actually had some good ideas this morning on the talk shows about what we CAN do:
 1. Freeze Russian assets in western banks.
 2. Indict Russian leaders in violation of international treaties and impose warrants and visa restrictions on them.
 3. Convene NATO and invite GEORGIA to become a member as they desire.
 4. Re-institute missile defense system in former Soviet satellite states.
 5. Remove Russia from G8 nations.
 
I can think of a few others...like ending ALL trade. Ending ALL treaties. Providing Ukraine with economic and military credits/assistance.
 And of course...fire another arrow from Obama's dwindling quiver of outrage condemning in the strongest terms this violation of international law.

It is really quite informative.  And it contains some very good suggestions at the end, I think.

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Re: Ukraine crisis: Police storm main Kiev 'Maidan' protest camp
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2014, 01:56:37 PM »
Here is the latest on the crisis in Ukraine, from Reuters:

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Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 5 a.m. (0300 GMT) on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying.
 
The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander.

The ministry did not immediately confirm the report and there was no immediate comment by the Black Sea Fleet, which has a base in Crimea, where Russian forces are in control.

"If they do not surrender before 5 a.m. tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea," the agency quoted the ministry source as saying.

Here is the link:  Russia gives Ukrainian forces in Crimea ultimatum to surrender - Interfax | Reuters


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