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When Will the Backlash Occur?
« on: February 16, 2014, 03:35:54 PM »
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When Will the Backlash Occur?

By Scott Atlas
Published February 14, 2014
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Americans watching the Affordable Care Act’s implementation are witnessing a government policy debacle that is as large as any in memory. It is hard to imagine a more vivid demonstration of the ruinous consequences of government stepping into a market in which it doesn’t belong. And, sadly, what we are seeing now is only the beginning of the policy’s failure.

In its most updated assessment of the ACA, the government’s own Congressional Budget Office caught the Democrats flat-footed by projecting that the law is severely flawed on a number of fronts, matching in many ways what the ACA opponents clearly and repeatedly warned about. Aside from all of its other negative impacts, millions of jobs will be lost, specifically due to this law.

    The Obama administration and its mouthpieces somehow keep spinning this awful news into something positive.

Instead of being part of the remarkably productive American workforce, a labor force that has served as the model for the free world, millions of American families will become newly dependent on government subsidies and will exit from the workforce.

Yet, as we should have expected, the Obama administration and its mouthpieces somehow keep spinning this awful news into something positive. White House economist Jason Furman said it gives people new freedom, liberating them from full-time jobs with their long working hours to spend more time with their families. Obama Press Secretary Jay Carney insisted that people won’t be “trapped” in their jobs. And the New York Times editorial board joined in, claiming that reducing the number of full-time workers by 2.5 million over the next decade “is mostly a good thing, a liberating result of the law.”

Eerily reminiscent of Orwell’s 1984 where a new word blackwhite meant “a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this … the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary,” supporters of ObamaCare seem to have swallowed the president’s narrative about the ACA, illogical and distorted, indeed destructive to the very foundation of American society, as it is.

All that, despite hundreds of millions of dollars in new taxes and a dramatic take-over of authority over health care by the government. And despite spending over 2 trillion dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on subsidies, government insurance, and other costs, the law still leaves 31 million non-elderly adults uninsured. Yes, after an entire decade under this law, the most heralded “achievement” of ObamaCare, indeed the administration’s main justification for the law, getting people insured, is projected to be a failure by the CBO.

It couldn’t be a legitimate policy mistake, could it?

Only one conclusion about this administration seems reasonable at this point. President Obama and his administration must be convinced that the American public will remain “loyal soldiers” to his vision of liberalism, no matter what their cost. The Obama administration must cynically believe that Americans will continue to show a shocking naïveté and a near total lack of critical thinking about the Affordable Care Act.

Given that the public has been fed a wholly deceptive narrative on America’s health system - the gross misinformation and distortions directly contradicting the facts about the high quality and world-leading access in our health care system in the world’s leading scientific and medical journals - perhaps this should not be a surprise. And given that the ACA is completely antithetical to the best interests of young Americans yet they still support the law, perhaps the president can still be comfortable in assuming that he will receive their important support, regardless of the facts.

How long can the Obama supporters remain loyal to this catastrophe of a law? Common sense and independent thought are fundamental to the American psyche, so when the facts become clear, Americans typically see the truth. January 2014 polling from Gallup shows a startling increase in the percentage of Americans who now view health care as the nation’s most important problem, quadrupling from only 4 percent to 16 percent in just one year. And the most dramatic uptick is specifically among the very groups who were critical in reelecting this president. Almost five times as many women now point to health care as the top US problem compared to only 12 months ago, roughly 50 percent more than the percentage of men who do so. Among age groups, the percentage of those voters under 35 specifying health care as the biggest problem facing the country has skyrocketed by more than six-fold from an almost unnoticeable two percent in January of 2013 to 13 percent now, an increase far steeper than any other age group. Even the president's most ardent, most loyal supporters are rejecting ObamaCare, now that they have finally understood its impact.

So now, we are left wondering … when will the backlash occur? I have a feeling that it is already underway.

Scott W. Atlas, MD is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author of "In Excellent Health: Setting the Record Straight on America’s Health Care" (Hoover Press, 2011).
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 03:47:07 PM »
It is underway, and building.  Suddenly there is plenty of talk about taking back the Senate this year instead of in 2016 during the Presidential race.  Already you have senior Dhimmies like Henry "Nostrilitis" Waxman who are reading the tealeaves, and deciding that they are not willing to continue serving in the Minority for the indefinite future.  Max Baucas decided not to run largely because of Obamacare.  Mary Landreau is in the political fight of her life down on the bayou, and may well be Primaried out.

People forget how much was accomplished during the last few congressional elections, and a the ground has been laid to take back the Congress this year....

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 03:55:05 PM »
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 10:02:21 AM »
When Obamacare and other issues with Obama's entire administration scare life long democrats, we can expect big changes the next election. What will be interesting are the excuses the MSM will make for Obama.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 10:09:46 AM »
For most of the unwashed masses, it will either need to be when it personally impacts them (I am seeing it now with people finding out how much they have to pay or that their so-called low-income subsidy is a tax credit they have to file next year) or when there is a big denial that happens that someone makes a movie about.  Some sort of Erin Brockovich case in which the government bureaucrats cause a child's death. Even then, I'm sure it will be spun to be the Republican's fault.

The only way I think we can really impact it at this time besides spreading the stories of how it isn't working is to continually remind people about the government bureaucrats who are making the decisions instead of their doctor.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2014, 10:15:41 AM »
It's not hard to predict the future here.

The GOP control both Houses further eroding King Barack's power.  Hopefully, they'll put a stop to some of the EO's. 

Fed Chairwoman Yellen does a 180 on "easy money", which causes a massacre on Wall Street..... putting the blame squarely on the GOP Tea Party....for doubling of mortgage rates, runaway inflation

....just in time for Hillary to be able to claim she can "go back to the days of Bill Clinton, BEFORE the evil GWB and the right wing almost destroyed our country, etc.."

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 10:15:43 AM »
When Will the Backlash Occur?

The moment that the economy is so bad that all the cable and satellite companies go out of business, and not a minute sooner.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 10:19:40 AM »
It's not hard to predict the future here.

The GOP control both Houses further eroding King Barack's power.  Hopefully, they'll put a stop to some of the EO's. 

Fed Chairwoman Yellen does a 180 on "easy money", which causes a massacre on Wall Street..... putting the blame squarely on the GOP Tea Party....for doubling of mortgage rates, runaway inflation

....just in time for Hillary to be able to claim she can "go back to the days of Bill Clinton, BEFORE the evil GWB and the right wing almost destroyed our country, etc.."

Very reasonable assumption.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 10:22:38 AM »
When Obamacare and other issues with Obama's entire administration scare life long democrats, we can expect big changes the next election. What will be interesting are the excuses the MSM will make for Obama.

The playbook is open, simple, and effective. If, by some miracle, Americans actually come out of their stupor long enough to hand the Democrats losses in November, the excuse will be that Americans didn't understand.

The msm will go to the "Obama is just too brilliant" play. The ACA is too nuanced, and Obama, while a genius and a communicator without equal, was just unable to dumb his message down enough for the masses.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 10:38:58 AM »
The playbook is open, simple, and effective. If, by some miracle, Americans actually come out of their stupor long enough to hand the Democrats losses in November, the excuse will be that Americans didn't understand.

The msm will go to the "Obama is just too brilliant" play. The ACA is too nuanced, and Obama, while a genius and a communicator without equal, was just unable to dumb his message down enough for the masses.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 10:45:31 AM »
The playbook is open, simple, and effective. If, by some miracle, Americans actually come out of their stupor long enough to hand the Democrats losses in November, the excuse will be that Americans didn't understand.

The msm will go to the "Obama is just too brilliant" play. The ACA is too nuanced, and Obama, while a genius and a communicator without equal, was just unable to dumb his message down enough for the masses.

If Democrats are shellacked in November, I predict that many of Obama's court stenographers (formerly known as "the media") will peevishly complain that Americans have thrown another "temper tantrum".
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 10:50:16 AM »
NOTHING....is going to change until the public faces reading the news, their editors, programmers...and even their corporate board members have something to fear personally.


And that's a fact.

Hell....at this point, "fear" is what is keeping them in line.   Ironic.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 10:54:52 AM »
It's not hard to predict the future here.

The GOP control both Houses further eroding King Barack's power.  Hopefully, they'll put a stop to some of the EO's. 

Fed Chairwoman Yellen does a 180 on "easy money", which causes a massacre on Wall Street..... putting the blame squarely on the GOP Tea Party....for doubling of mortgage rates, runaway inflation

....just in time for Hillary to be able to claim she can "go back to the days of Bill Clinton, BEFORE the evil GWB and the right wing almost destroyed our country, etc.."

Nah.  Yellen's not going to easy up on interest rates any time soon.  The economy is slowing, and, even though unemployment's going down, the number of jobs created is stalling.  Housing is dead in the water too.

This sluggish economy may be the new normal, and Hillary's going to have to come up with something new in 2016.  The lefties in the Democrat Party are not going to go along with another nominee who seems to be favorable to Wall Street and corporations, as Bill Clinton was.

Watch the Democrats.  There continue to be rumblings that Hillary is unacceptable to a sizable minority of Democrats.  If that grows, she may not run.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 10:56:17 AM »
If Democrats are shellacked in November, I predict that many of Obama's court stenographers (formerly known as "the media") will peevishly complain that Americans have thrown another "temper tantrum".

No.  They'll say it's time for the Democrats to turn to the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party.  Time for more populism, higher taxes on the wealthy and more squeezing of business (minimum wage increases). 
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 11:07:34 AM »
No.  They'll say it's time for the Democrats to turn to the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party.  Time for more populism, higher taxes on the wealthy and more squeezing of business (minimum wage increases).

Yes, that will surely follow. But first, it will be necessary to further demonize the opposition by means now familiar to us all, courtesy of the (by now, well-roasted) Saul Alinsky: defamation in place of argumentation, isolation by accusation of evil intent, and personalization of the political.  The enemy must be given a face to inspire hatred, and armies of straw men constructed to breed public fear and to generate demands for protection.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 11:14:38 AM »
You all are smoking crack.

The vast and overwhelming majority of "the people" are (at best) marginally aware that there's anything wrong at all, and at worst clueless.

Our societal attention span is such that as long as we can function today basically in concert with how we functioned yesterday, the body politic won't know that there's anything to backlash about at all.

We, people in forums like these, are societal anachronisms. We pay attention while the rest of the nation is spoon fed pablum by a political structure that's best described as managerialism. Political patriarchs and industrial princes run things in accordance to their needs and goals, keeping us up in the maenianum secundum entertained while Rome buns.

It's Fascist industrialism with 1080i LED screens to keep us glued to reality TV... while reality life crumbles all around us.

Fascism was capitalism's response to threats of an impending socialist revolution.

And here we are...

Smack dab in the middle of a world-wide socialist revolution, with capitalism and government working frantically to manage the battlefields.

The body politic won't notice the smokes from the fires until their Samsungs and LGs and Zeniths go permanently dark.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 12:54:18 PM »
The playbook is open, simple, and effective. If, by some miracle, Americans actually come out of their stupor long enough to hand the Democrats losses in November, the excuse will be that Americans didn't understand.

The msm will go to the "Obama is just too brilliant" play. The ACA is too nuanced, and Obama, while a genius and a communicator without equal, was just unable to dumb his message down enough for the masses.

Do you think this election will be won because of overwhelming Republican voter turnout, or because of under-whelming Democrat turnout?? 

I think a bit of both, mainly because black America is not going to turn out to vote for an old white lady (the Hildebeest) as the successor to Obama.  If there is not another black liberal to mount a primary challenge I don't think black American voters will turn out at all....


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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 01:08:19 PM »
Do you think this election will be won because of overwhelming Republican voter turnout, or because of under-whelming Democrat turnout?? 

I think a bit of both, mainly because black America is not going to turn out to vote for an old white lady (the Hildebeest) as the successor to Obama.  If there is not another black liberal to mount a primary challenge I don't think black American voters will turn out at all....

Do you think that the whole Democrat/Republican thing holds the answer?

I see it as re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.   

Irrespective of which party has held power the results have been identical.

Government grows and liberty wanes.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 01:08:27 PM »
Do you think this election will be won because of overwhelming Republican voter turnout, or because of under-whelming Democrat turnout?? 

I think a bit of both, mainly because black America is not going to turn out to vote for an old white lady (the Hildebeest) as the successor to Obama.  If there is not another black liberal to mount a primary challenge I don't think black American voters will turn out at all....


I think you're right, Chief.  However they will be offset by people like me who will never support another John McCain candidate from the GOP.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2014, 01:55:49 PM »
Do you think this election will be won because of overwhelming Republican voter turnout, or because of under-whelming Democrat turnout?? 

I think a bit of both, mainly because black America is not going to turn out to vote for an old white lady (the Hildebeest) as the successor to Obama.  If there is not another black liberal to mount a primary challenge I don't think black American voters will turn out at all....

The vote in 2014 will tip to Rs because of low turn out. However, the GOP is doing all they can to suppress conservative turn out. Ok, they don't want to suppress the turn out of conservatives, but they want to be sure that the conservatives only have Ds and GOPe approved choices.

In 2016, Hillary will be a bit of a problem for the Ds. She's old, angry and shrill with some baggage. But, if they can steer the nomination to a woman like Elizabeth Warren, they'll likely win. There are women waiting to vote for a woman for president. To hell with qualifications, track record, even party, what they want is a woman. Gender is qualification enough.

It worked for Obama with skin color.

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2014, 02:08:20 PM »
The vote in 2014 will tip to Rs because of low turn out. However, the GOP is doing all they can to suppress conservative turn out. Ok, they don't want to suppress the turn out of conservatives, but they want to be sure that the conservatives only have Ds and GOPe approved choices.

In 2016, Hillary will be a bit of a problem for the Ds. She's old, angry and shrill with some baggage. But, if they can steer the nomination to a woman like Elizabeth Warren, they'll likely win. There are women waiting to vote for a woman for president. To hell with qualifications, track record, even party, what they want is a woman. Gender is qualification enough.

It worked for Obama with skin color.


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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2014, 03:23:32 PM »

The moment that the economy is so bad that all the cable and satellite companies go out of business, and not a minute sooner.

You all are smoking crack.

The vast and overwhelming majority of "the people" are (at best) marginally aware that there's anything wrong at all, and at worst clueless.

Our societal attention span is such that as long as we can function today basically in concert with how we functioned yesterday, the body politic won't know that there's anything to backlash about at all.

We, people in forums like these, are societal anachronisms. We pay attention while the rest of the nation is spoon fed pablum by a political structure that's best described as managerialism. Political patriarchs and industrial princes run things in accordance to their needs and goals, keeping us up in the maenianum secundum entertained while Rome buns.

It's Fascist industrialism with 1080i LED screens to keep us glued to reality TV... while reality life crumbles all around us.

Fascism was capitalism's response to threats of an impending socialist revolution.

And here we are...

Smack dab in the middle of a world-wide socialist revolution, with capitalism and government working frantically to manage the battlefields.

The body politic won't notice the smokes from the fires until their Samsungs and LGs and Zeniths go permanently dark.

Normally this is correct. But the amount that lost health insurance are ticked off. People on medicare/disabilty had their medicare advantage plans all skyrocket extremely in cost. People are ticked off.  Obama already lost a lot of his base that were not black because he is not doing enough to turn America full progressive communist.

The  democratic party has been fully hijacked progressive left and the fake bluedogs will be shown the door.

The ONLY way the dems don't lose is MASSIVE voter fraud from the Obama machine. And I don't think- with Obama not running, that will even turn out. Obama used taxpayers money to fund his ACORN like slush funds in San Antonio  (and else where) via Castro. They are desperate to pull off a cheat.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2014, 03:36:42 PM »
It's not hard to predict the future here.

The GOP control both Houses further eroding King Barack's power.  Hopefully, they'll put a stop to some of the EO's. 

Fed Chairwoman Yellen does a 180 on "easy money", which causes a massacre on Wall Street..... putting the blame squarely on the GOP Tea Party....for doubling of mortgage rates, runaway inflation

....just in time for Hillary to be able to claim she can "go back to the days of Bill Clinton, BEFORE the evil GWB and the right wing almost destroyed our country, etc.."


It finally came out in the past couple of years that Clinton's economy was a farce. How many people realize this? How many people know any Forrest Gump could look like they were cutting a defict by gutting the military, closing all the bases he did, ships decommed and so on?

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget | Cato Institute
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget

I think Obama's jig is up but a union democrat told me over the phone the other day that Hillary will save all.  They don't give two craps about Benghazi, nor understand it, nor do they remember HillaryCare. Somehow people think Hillary is great. I don't think enough to elect her but the full retard is still there. They either: did not learn their Obama lesson or they don't have the brains to know Hillary is cut from the same Chicago thug cloth as Obama. They won't think Progressive they will think how well we were doing back when compared to now. They have no common sense.
"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2014, 03:41:52 PM »
Normally this is correct. But the amount that lost health insurance are ticked off. People on medicare/disabilty had their medicare advantage plans all skyrocket extremely in cost. People are ticked off.  Obama already lost a lot of his base that were not black because he is not doing enough to turn America full progressive communist.

The  democratic party has been fully hijacked progressive left and the fake bluedogs will be shown the door.

The ONLY way the dems don't lose is MASSIVE voter fraud from the Obama machine. And I don't think- with Obama not running, that will even turn out. Obama used taxpayers money to fund his ACORN like slush funds in San Antonio  (and else where) via Castro. They are desperate to pull off a cheat.

So, people are ticked off, and they will show their displeasure by turning the reins over to... the OTHER half of the political establishment in DC.

We're moving deck chairs on the deck of the Titanic. 

P.S. The GOP is already promoting how they will "fix" the ACA.

So, the garbage piece of Socialist legislation stays, and becomes, via the fact that the GOP opted for "repair" over "repeal", a bipartisan entitlement program.
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Re: When Will the Backlash Occur?
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2014, 03:45:28 PM »

I despise the current GOP but Clinton was a phony.

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Basically, it was under Clinton that Fannie and Freddie really began blowing the housing bubble, issuing epic amounts of mortgage-backed debt.

The story that Gasparino tells is basically: Liberal Bill Clinton thought he could use government to make everyone a homeowner and so naturally this ended in disaster.

Gasparino specifically cites the controversial Community Reinvestment Act, a popular conservative bogeyman

How Bill Clinton's Balanced Budget Destroyed The Economy - Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-bill-clintons-balanced-budget-destroyed-the-economy-2012-9


"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?


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