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Offline Rapunzel

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« on: February 15, 2014, 09:57:32 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 10:05:13 PM »
He's not going to be the only one to do this.

California has opened Pandora's box on this one.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 10:07:41 PM »
He's not going to be the only one to do this.

California has opened Pandora's box on this one.

Yep... and remember the thread we had a few months back where you predicted this very thing.

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 07:35:36 AM »
This is insanity, and it probably won't stop even after a muscular male-bodied faux female softball player seriously injures a much smaller girl in a collision at home plate.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 02:10:09 PM »
Yep... and remember the thread we had a few months back where you predicted this very thing.

I DO remember that thread.

You don't have to have a degree in human behavior to understand that when you break down the basic rules there's going to be trouble.

This will not end will.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 02:12:22 PM »
This is insanity, and it probably won't stop even after a muscular male-bodied faux female softball player seriously injures a much smaller girl in a collision at home plate.

Yeah, but those muscular males pretending to be 'girls' are going to get to be in the locker room with all the actual females.

So a few injuries to a few of the females won't bother them a bit.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 02:48:11 PM »
He's not going to be the only one to do this.

California has opened Pandora's box on this one.

It occurs to me that "Pandora's Box" would be a great title for a pre-Apocalyptic novel, perhaps one about a formerly Golden State whose citizenry decided, seemingly en masse, to go stark raving mad: inventing non-existent human genders and then mandating their protection, destroying the very agriculture that feeds them by demanding "rights" for microorganisms and pests, driving entire industries from their midst via confiscatory taxes, and then using the proceeds to reward illegality and sloth, celebrating all manner of "diversity" by embracing public displays of obscenity while reserving their deepest hatred for anything normal, decent and humble.

Yeah, I agree: it's a stretch.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 02:51:51 PM »
It occurs to me that "Pandora's Box" would be a great title for a pre-Apocalyptic novel, perhaps one about a formerly Golden State whose citizenry decided, seemingly en masse, to go stark raving mad: inventing non-existent human genders and then mandating their protection, destroying the very agriculture that feeds them by demanding "rights" for microorganisms and pests, driving entire industries from their midst via confiscatory taxes, and then using the proceeds to reward illegality and sloth, celebrating all manner of "diversity" by embracing public displays of obscenity while reserving their deepest hatred for anything normal, decent and humble.

Yeah, I agree: it's a stretch.

Maybe instead of sleeping you could write the book and then retire and we could have you back......

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 03:21:13 PM »
Maybe instead of sleeping you could write the book and then retire and we could have you back......

I'm working on it. The world today confounds me. Dreams are the place we commonly work things out, most often in metaphorical fashion. Nocturnal visions usually revolve around our own personal conflicts, but once in a while they provide deeper insights into our world and our nature. Finding the time and space and language to record such things is the great challenge.  :beer:
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 03:24:49 PM »
I'm working on it. The world today confounds me. Dreams are the place we commonly work things out, most often in metaphorical fashion. Nocturnal visions usually revolve around our own personal conflicts, but once in a while they provide deeper insights into our world and our nature. Finding the time and space and language to record such things is the great challenge.  :beer:

Funny you would say that, Andy. I can't begin to tell you how many problems I've solved during the night when my mind is clearer.... even back when I was in accounting and something would be nagging me work-wise the answers would come to me during the night and were always accurate...

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 04:12:59 PM »
Funny you would say that, Andy. I can't begin to tell you how many problems I've solved during the night when my mind is clearer.... even back when I was in accounting and something would be nagging me work-wise the answers would come to me during the night and were always accurate...

About 25 years ago I worked with a psychiatrist who believed strongly in dream analysis as a means of therapy. I discovered that you can learn a great deal about yourself by understanding the meaning of your nightly visions. They do tend to be highly symbolic and metaphorical expressions of the subconscious mind, and as such yield only to a learned comprehension of what they mean to you, personally.

I was encouraged to keep a journal, but found that the physical act of awakening and writing down my nocturnal experiences was difficult and "lossy" - the conscious memories decayed as quickly as I could recall them. For that reason, I started keeping a small dictation tape device by my bedside, which enabled me to vocally capture much more detail than I could ever hope to write down.  I discovered that dream memories decay quickly with any physical movement, so the key is to lie absolutely still upon awakening and recall as much detail as possible before moving.

It is a little weird (and sometimes unsettling) to replay such tapes the next day, remembering nothing of the dreams but listening to their details and trying to make sense of them. Sometimes the meaning is so obvious that it will make you laugh out loud. Other times, you might scratch your head and think: "Now just what the Hell was that all about?" It's a fascinating process, regardless, and it really can help you discover what truly motivates, thrills, and frightens you.

Returning to the topic at hand though, there's very little that scares me at night as much as what I see happening to this country in the light of day.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 04:19:47 PM »
Andy, do you meditate?  I usually medidate when I first wake in the morning while it is quiet and I have nothing to distract me (yet).  I've never written down my dreams - but my husband used to keep a drawing pad next to his side of the bed. He was an artist and sometimes his ideas for artwork would come to him in a dream and he'd wake up and start drawing it.

 I have also had cognitive dreams for as long as I can remember.  Not as frequent now as when I was younger, but I do still have them from time-to-time. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 04:30:51 PM »
Andy, do you meditate?  I usually medidate when I first wake in the morning while it is quiet and I have nothing to distract me (yet).  I've never written down my dreams - but my husband used to keep a drawing pad next to his side of the bed. He was an artist and sometimes his ideas for artwork would come to him in a dream and he'd wake up and start drawing it.

 I have also had cognitive dreams for as long as I can remember.  Not as frequent now as when I was younger, but I do still have them from time-to-time.

Honestly, I find it hard to meditate - my mind is always racing in a thousand directions (I'm riddled with ADD). Tell me though, about your "cognitive dreams".
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 04:38:39 PM »
Honestly, I find it hard to meditate - my mind is always racing in a thousand directions (I'm riddled with ADD). Tell me though, about your "cognitive dreams".

Hmm let's see... well sometimes simple things like this guy at work asked me for a date - the night before I dreamed he was wearing this black and white checked jacket when he picked me up (he had NEVER worn this coat to work)... so Saturday night I answer the door and there he stood in the jacket...  then way, way back when George and I were first dating we broke up for a short while. As you probably know I am pretty stubborn and I never, ever, called a guy under any circumstances... they wanted to date me or talk to me THEY had to call.  We both worked for the same company and if I walked to the cafeteria I went right past his office.  For two months I went out of my way to not walk by his office or to even look at or talk to him........ then one morning I had a dream he showed up at my apartment and wanted to make up with me... I'm not joking but an hour after I had that dream there was a knock on my door - I went and looked out the window and he was standing there, wanted to talk to me.    Then once we were out here on vacation for a week and I had a dream that the engineering manager was fired. When we got home we stopped to see my husbands secretary - she told us while we were gone there was a shakeup and the engineering manager had been fired...  There has been more.. but those are examples...

I have a lot of trouble calming my mind, too.. this is why I lay there and let my mind just chill first thing in the morning.  It also helps me listen to my guides which I have been working on and want to work on more.   

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 04:43:12 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 05:12:41 PM »
Hmm let's see... well sometimes simple things like this guy at work asked me for a date - the night before I dreamed he was wearing this black and white checked jacket when he picked me up (he had NEVER worn this coat to work)... so Saturday night I answer the door and there he stood in the jacket...  then way, way back when George and I were first dating we broke up for a short while. As you probably know I am pretty stubborn and I never, ever, called a guy under any circumstances... they wanted to date me or talk to me THEY had to call.  We both worked for the same company and if I walked to the cafeteria I went right past his office.  For two months I went out of my way to not walk by his office or to even look at or talk to him........ then one morning I had a dream he showed up at my apartment and wanted to make up with me... I'm not joking but an hour after I had that dream there was a knock on my door - I went and looked out the window and he was standing there, wanted to talk to me.    Then once we were out here on vacation for a week and I had a dream that the engineering manager was fired. When we got home we stopped to see my husbands secretary - she told us while we were gone there was a shakeup and the engineering manager had been fired...  There has been more.. but those are examples...

I have a lot of trouble calming my mind, too.. this is why I lay there and let my mind just chill first thing in the morning.  It also helps me listen to my guides which I have been working on and want to work on more.

Interesting. I would say those dreams are largely "cognitive" in the sense that your subconscious mind was aware of circumstances that your conscious mind had not yet identified, and tied them together in advance of their realization.  But there "precognitive" elements as well, such as the jacket never before worn. It's impossible to know from where such knowledge comes, but it is fascinating.

I dream about my father a lot. He has been gone for almost 20 years, but he still appears to me in dreams, especially when I am troubled. Sometimes, the context is that he went away but has now returned, often in order to participate in some kind of ceremony involving me.  I honestly don't know what that means.
 
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2014, 05:28:39 PM »


I dream about my father a lot. He has been gone for almost 20 years, but he still appears to me in dreams, especially when I am troubled. Sometimes, the context is that he went away but has now returned, often in order to participate in some kind of ceremony involving me.  I honestly don't know what that means.

Okay.. now that might be what is called a visitation - especially if they are very real to you at the time - they are also very fleeting.  Case in point. I've had two visitations from George since he died.  They were both close together and about six months after he died.   The first time I had an appointment for my quarterly blood work - there had been a lot of changes and the lab was moved for a while over to the hospital. I had not been back to the hosptial for any reason since he was taken there the day of his stroke (he died in the hospital over in Vegas)...... anyway going back into the hospital really upset me a lot - total surprise to me.  Then a couple of days later a friend was hospitalized. He was on the third floor. I went to see him. All I can say is thank goodness he was sleeping - I left flowers and a card and quickly left as I was having palpitations and hyperventilating.  So upset I drove out to the island and sat in the car for a while looking out at the lake to calm down. 

This really had me in a bad place.  That night I had my first visitation.. there is a difference and if you have experienced it you know the difference.  He just came to me in my sleep and wrapped me up in his arms and held me really, really close. After a few minutes I woke up and it was all over.  About a month later he woke me calling out from the garage - I'm home - I went out to the garage in my sleep and we hugged one-another - and then like the first it was over. In both cases I can tell you exactly what it felt like being held - I wasn't looking at it - I was feeling it.  I've had dreams about him since, but never a visitation.  The thing about a visitation is you do remember every little detail while like you said - you tend to forget dreams quickly. 

BTW I once dreamed I was firing a gun and I actually did - blew a hole in the wall (this was when I was married to my first husband) and one day I was ironing and looked down and didn't have on my wedding rings  (first husband) ..... he said finally - it seems he came home late one night and I sat up in bed, took off my rings and handed them to him and told him these are for the garbage can. I had no memory of this. 

I used to have dreams of planes crashing above me... never did understand what that was about.


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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 05:33:02 PM »
BTW, Andy, hypnosis could shed light on the dreams about your father.  By any chance have you read any of Dr. Brian Weiss's work?  He is a PhD/M.D. physiciatrist who used to head a school of Psychiatry at the University of Florida - a patient named Catherine totally changed his entire approach to psychiatry, he tells the story in his first book Many Lives Many Masters... it's a fast read and fascinating look at our minds and what affects our life.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 04:04:38 AM »
I dream about my father a lot. He has been gone for almost 20 years, but he still appears to me in dreams, especially when I am troubled. Sometimes, the context is that he went away but has now returned, often in order to participate in some kind of ceremony involving me.  I honestly don't know what that means.

You are externalizing some of your thought processes into a trusted surrogate. The ceremony aspect is interesting - I'd suggest it means that you are close to solving the trouble. Your mind knows it but you don't yet, so it's the only way it can tell you. How old is your father in the dreams? As he was at the end or as he was in his prime, when you were young?

Very few people can shut down the filters during the day. Night is a different matter - your subconscious never sleeps and it has free reign for a few hours.
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