Author Topic: Ted Cruz: 'Hell Will Freeze Over' Before Establishment GOP Listens To American people  (Read 1018 times)

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"The Tea Party has a right to feel cheated.

When does the Republican Party, put in the majority by the Tea Party, plan to honor its commitment to halt the growth of the Federal monolith and bring the budget back into balance"?

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Speaking of establishment, I get to go see John Cornyn and Karl Rove Sunday. I'll try to be on my best behavior (I have to, I'm photographing the band).

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Speaking of establishment, I get to go see John Cornyn and Karl Rove Sunday. I'll try to be on my best behavior (I have to, I'm photographing the band).

You may need a tranquilizer.......

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Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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They swore they were going to demand concessions in spending before they would pass the another debt ceiling increase... but hells bells who cares if this country becomes Greece - certainly not the GOP or their sycophants.

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They swore they were going to demand concessions in spending before they would pass the another debt ceiling increase... but hells bells who cares if this country becomes Greece - certainly not the GOP or their sycophants.

Would the Democrat Senate and President Obama have agreed to concessions in spending?  Or would they have resisted and blamed the GOP for defaulting on the debt? 

If you and Cruz hate the GOP, why not leave it?  Lots of people have.  Cruz spends ALL his time trashing his fellow conservatives.  No wonder he stood alone on this filibuster.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Would the Democrat Senate and President Obama have agreed to concessions in spending?  Or would they have resisted and blamed the GOP for defaulting on the debt? 

If you and Cruz hate the GOP, why not leave it?  Lots of people have.  Cruz spends ALL his time trashing his fellow conservatives.  No wonder he stood alone on this filibuster.

I did leave it because of people like you and the people you insist on supporting who are destroying this country.  There is no difference between any of you and the Democrats.

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The GOP is half of the problem, the other half being the Democrats, and as long as party politics take precedence over anything else, nothing will ever change.  Our system is exactly the way politicians have crafted it to benefit themselves and party interests only. 


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The GOP is half of the problem, the other half being the Democrats, and as long as party politics take precedence over anything else, nothing will ever change.  Our system is exactly the way politicians have crafted it to benefit themselves and party interests only.

Exactly and I'm really, really tired of people putting an R over a D over the country.

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"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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Would the Democrat Senate and President Obama have agreed to concessions in spending?  Or would they have resisted and blamed the GOP for defaulting on the debt? 

Both good questions because the answers are self-evident to those with the honesty to think about it.
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
       Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 5:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017

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Both good questions because the answers are self-evident to those with the honesty to think about it.
What can be seen up thread is avoiding the question. Last time the public responded by blaming the GOP for threatening to shut down the government, playing brinkmanship with the economy, etc.

Cruz is playing a role. Is it aimed at resolving the issue, or merely gaining him recognition?

He should propose cuts. Name them. Justify them to the public.




"God must love the common man, he made so many of them.�  Abe Lincoln

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Exactly and I'm really, really tired of people putting an R over a D over the country.

Then why do Paul, Lee, Cruz remain with the Republicans?  Are they still of a mind "they can change it from within"?  Not if they are intellectually honest they're not.  They actually would have more power outside the party than within.  Their votes would actually be worth something.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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These "true conservative" forums are entertaining. Cruz is the latest fad leader. But ask yourself: Is he changing minds? Is he getting results, or just headlines?

Is he changing minds in his own party? Is he leading where they will go? (they took little time to reject his path)

Is he changing minds among the nations voters? (both GOP and Tea Party favorability trending down, not up)

Are "conservatives" thoughtful enough to grapple with such questions, or do they just jump to their next fad leader?

True conservatives may represent the sentiments of 20-25% of the populace. That is not enough to gain, hold and exercise power.

Convincing people, changing minds is the name of the game for succeeding; if succeeding is even the objective.

Calling people names does not change minds. Alienating your colleagues does not gain supporters. Reagan was on the scene for many years, to build a following, and to change minds.
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Exactly and I'm really, really tired of people putting an R over a D over the country.

If all I know about any given race is that there is a Republican and a Democrat running  I'm going to vote for the Republican 100% of the time. In fact that is exactly what I do in the general election (only takes one mark on the ballot where I live). But in Primaries I'm going to find the most conservative person running in every race and vote for that person!

And before anyone asks me, MY definition of Conservative is one who understands, and will govern according to, the tenants laid out in the Constitution!
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If all I know about any given race is that there is a Republican and a Democrat running  I'm going to vote for the Republican 100% of the time. In fact that is exactly what I do in the general election (only takes one mark on the ballot where I live). But in Primaries I'm going to find the most conservative person running in every race and vote for that person!

And before anyone asks me, MY definition of Conservative is one who understands, and will govern according to, the tenants laid out in the Constitution!
Generally that is my approach, however one qualifier.

I will vote for the most conservative candidate THAT CAN WIN the general.  I will not vote for the glib whacko bird who cannot win. That often means a fringe Republican or 3rd party option that sounds good, but has zero chance of winning a general election.

Several safe Republican seats were handed to the democrats because that strategy was not followed.

The Tea Party movement needs to do a much better job of vetting candidates, and NOT supporting everybody that comes along. Politicians are ambitious, will say anything, including those from the right.
"God must love the common man, he made so many of them.�  Abe Lincoln

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I did leave it because of people like you and the people you insist on supporting who are destroying this country.  There is no difference between any of you and the Democrats.

FOS as usual. 

Anybody who sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats is living in another universe. 

Your boy Cruz has accomplished nothing in his short time in the Senate but alienating his colleagues and driving down the approval of his own party.

Well, that's not true.  I forgot that he's been stuffing Tea Party cash in his pockets at a record rate.  All for his own political benefit.

He's as big a showboater as Obama.  Maybe bigger.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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These "true conservative" forums are entertaining.

Which really makes me wonder if your only reason for spending so much time here is because you really get your jollies in talking down to everyone so you can make yourself feel like you are so much smarter than us poorly conservatives.  You certainly get off on mocking the only people who actually care to save this country from the socialists in both parties.

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FOS as usual. 

Anybody who sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats is living in another universe. 

Your boy Cruz has accomplished nothing in his short time in the Senate but alienating his colleagues and driving down the approval of his own party.

Well, that's not true.  I forgot that he's been stuffing Tea Party cash in his pockets at a record rate.  All for his own political benefit.

He's as big a showboater as Obama.  Maybe bigger.

First it was Sarah Palin and now it is Ted Cruz - you REALLY need to get some help for this....



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Which really makes me wonder if your only reason for spending so much time here is because you really get your jollies in talking down to everyone so you can make yourself feel like you are so much smarter than us poorly conservatives.  You certainly get off on mocking the only people who actually care to save this country from the socialists in both parties.

Don't kid yourself.  You're not doing anymore to "save the country" by posting on a website or thinking that a "no compromise" position is the only correct position than anybody else. 

Did you post your comment to TS about "talking down to everyone" with a straight face?
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Don't kid yourself.  You're not doing anymore to "save the country" by posting on a website or thinking that a "no compromise" position is the only correct position than anybody else. 

Did you post your comment to TS about "talking down to everyone" with a straight face?

I don't go on liberal sites and mock the liberals who post there, yet he spends hours here mocking conservatives and the Tea Party both of which this site is and supports.

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I don't go on liberal sites and mock the liberals who post there, yet he spends hours here mocking conservatives and the Tea Party both of which this site is and supports.

So?  Until Myst says this is exclusively a Tea Party site, all comments are welcome.  Or are they not?

Oh, and he doesn't mock conservatives.  He mocks a certain narrow segment of conservatism which, at times, deserves mocking.

I'm in general agreement with Tea Party objectives but not at all with the more extreme tactics employed by some Tea Party politicians.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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I don't go on liberal sites and mock the liberals who post there, yet he spends hours here mocking conservatives and the Tea Party both of which this site is and supports.

 :amen: Most of the fence sitters and even democrats that I know, and some I read about here and there, have claimed Cruz made an impact on them. These are people that were mostly apathetic, and now 'see the light' so to speak because of him. To even hint, let alone accuse him of not being relevant is idiotic. To say he divided the republican party is also a misnomer. The break began during Bush's term, and luckily, Cruz was elected to help fill the void. The void certainly isn't the status quo, but a new beginning that has its roots in the past.


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So?  Until Myst says this is exclusively a Tea Party site, all comments are welcome.  Or are they not?

Oh, and he doesn't mock conservatives.  He mocks a certain narrow segment of conservatism which, at times, deserves mocking.

I'm in general agreement with Tea Party objectives but not at all with the more extreme tactics employed by some Tea Party politicians.

She and R4 have both stated on multiple occasions we support the Tea Party here.  Other voices are welcome, but don't get angry when you get strong push back - and yes - I posted this to TS, but since you sought to get into this - he does mock both conservatives as well as "people who post on conservative sites"..... pretty darned often, which is why I said why come on a conservative site to mock conservatives unless it's very purpose to anger conservatives.


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