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Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« on: February 14, 2014, 12:49:32 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/02/14/ted-cruz-isnt-planning-to-be-in-the-senate-for-very-long/


Ted Cruz isn’t planning to be in the Senate for very long


    By Chris Cillizza   
    February 14 at 9:00 am

On Wednesday, Ted Cruz did something you almost never see in the Senate: He purposefully made political life harder for his Republican colleagues.

By forcing the Senate to round up 60 votes to end debate and force a final vote on a clean increase of the debt ceiling, Cruz knowingly complicated things for the top two Republicans in the chamber -- Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (Texas). Both men face primary challenges from their ideological right and neither relished the idea of helping break a filibuster for a debt ceiling increase with no Republican proposals attached.

Here's how the Wall Street Journal's conservative op-ed page described what Cruz did:

    "We're all for holding politicians accountable with votes on substantive issues, but Mr. Cruz knew he couldn't stop a debt increase the House had already passed. He also had no alternative strategy if the bill had failed, other than to shut down the government again, take public attention away from ObamaCare, and make Republicans even more unpopular."

It's not news that Cruz cares little for Senate tradition. He ran in 2012 on his willingness to shake up the institution, and time and again -- most notably during his nearly 24 hour talk-a-thon to protest Obamacare -- he has been willing (and gleefully so) to be a fly in the ointment. But, this latest gambit by Cruz may well be the most telling because it directly impacts two men who, if Cruz had any thought of sticking around the Senate for any extended period of time, not only could, but would make life very uncomfortable for him.

There is nothing that politicians -- and especially Senators -- hate more than being forced into a politically uncomfortable vote by a colleague of the same party. McConnell and Cornyn, both of whom are favorites to win their primaries, will never forget Cruz's move this past week.  And, Cruz is plenty smart enough to realize that.

Cruz, ultimately, wants to be president. And, he may well seize his high profile and his status as a hero among the tea party to run in 2016. (If he runs, he is either in or very close to the top tier of candidates.)  If Cruz doesn't win (or doesn't run), he won't be up for re-election until 2o18.  He may well run for a second term but if he decides at some point between now and then -- or even after he is re-elected -- to go the Jim DeMint route and simply walk away from the Senate, don't be surprised.

Cruz won't be climbing the leadership ladder. Ever.
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2014, 01:18:05 PM »
Great speaker. Ambition to be President. Piss off your colleagues. Lacks good judgment. Big talk, but no results.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 04:31:13 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 04:35:59 PM »
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 04:44:38 PM »
Great speaker. Ambition to be President. Piss off your colleagues. Lacks good judgment. Big talk, but no results.

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Cruz is following the Obama playbook perfectly. 
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 09:18:50 PM »
Cruz is following the Obama playbook perfectly.
Why not? It worked, especially with low information types.

"Sure, okay. Trash the good faith and credit of the United States, harm the economy, anything with shock value, never mind the lack of votes to pull it all off, just give me the microphone-and the chance for headlines."

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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 09:26:55 PM »
Do ANY OF YOU realize what The President is doing while people like McConnell and Boehner sit back and bite their fingernails in fear of doing everything possible to stop him???  No - what you do is go after the very few we have in congress trying to stop this madman from taking over our country...... get over yourselves and your hatred for Cruz and the Tea Party and realize what is going on because it is very soon going to be too late to do anything... and I blame every one of you who are so afraid of change you support people who are well past their expiration dates and are as much the problem as the Democrats.  These people are not working for US they are in it for themselves and the hell with all of us - the ONLY people trying to help us are people like Cruz, Lee, Paul and about 60 men and women in congress.
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 09:40:24 PM »
Do ANY OF YOU realize what The President is doing while people like McConnell and Boehner sit back and bite their fingernails in fear of doing everything possible to stop him???  No - what you do is go after the very few we have in congress trying to stop this madman from taking over our country...... get over yourselves and your hatred for Cruz and the Tea Party and realize what is going on because it is very soon going to be too late to do anything... and I blame every one of you who are so afraid of change you support people who are well past their expiration dates and are as much the problem as the Democrats.  These people are not working for US they are in it for themselves and the hell with all of us - the ONLY people trying to help us are people like Cruz, Lee, Paul and about 60 men and women in congress.

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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2014, 12:27:18 AM »
Do ANY OF YOU realize what The President is doing while people like McConnell and Boehner sit back and bite their fingernails in fear of doing everything possible to stop him???  No - what you do is go after the very few we have in congress trying to stop this madman from taking over our country...... get over yourselves and your hatred for Cruz and the Tea Party and realize what is going on because it is very soon going to be too late to do anything... and I blame every one of you who are so afraid of change you support people who are well past their expiration dates and are as much the problem as the Democrats.  These people are not working for US they are in it for themselves and the hell with all of us - the ONLY people trying to help us are people like Cruz, Lee, Paul and about 60 men and women in congress.

It's funny how I see you as the misguided fool.  Working so hard to destroy the only realistic chance we have in stopping Obama...voting in Republicans.  But your post shows you fear working with a majority of Americans to solve our problems and your arrogance in thinking you can demand to get your way through the force of your righteous indignation.  The GOPe no longer fears you.  The world no longer revolves around 3 pitiful freshmen Senators and 60 Congressmen.  You are outnumbered in this war.  comeback when you got more guys.
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 01:03:14 AM »
Great speaker. Ambition to be President. Piss off your colleagues. Lacks good judgment. Big talk, but no results.

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If Cruz runs in 2016, then I will dismiss all of his actions as political theater.  If he does not, then perhaps he actually does want to change the Senate.  I'm 90% that it's the former, but if it's the latter, then I'm willing to not dismiss him as a sideshow barker.
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 07:51:20 AM »
Do ANY OF YOU realize what The President is doing while people like McConnell and Boehner sit back and bite their fingernails in fear of doing everything possible to stop him???  No - what you do is go after the very few we have in congress trying to stop this madman from taking over our country...... get over yourselves and your hatred for Cruz and the Tea Party and realize what is going on because it is very soon going to be too late to do anything... and I blame every one of you who are so afraid of change you support people who are well past their expiration dates and are as much the problem as the Democrats.  These people are not working for US they are in it for themselves and the hell with all of us - the ONLY people trying to help us are people like Cruz, Lee, Paul and about 60 men and women in congress.

That's how I see it, too. History teaches me that politics as usual gets us to Obama/McConnell/Boehner arguing about the arrangement of deck chairs. Meanwhile, "Captain, we're taking on water!"
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 07:54:31 AM »
It's funny how I see you as the misguided fool.  Working so hard to destroy the only realistic chance we have in stopping Obama...voting in Republicans

That's where you're wrong. Republicans don't mind big government bureaucracies as long as they're in charge of it.
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2014, 08:27:04 AM »
It's funny how I see you as the misguided fool.  Working so hard to destroy the only realistic chance we have in stopping Obama...voting in Republicans.

And Republicans are stopping Obama how, exactly?  By capitulating to his every whim?
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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2014, 09:53:45 AM »
Great speaker. Ambition to be President. Piss off your colleagues. Lacks good judgment. Big talk, but no results.

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Do ANY OF YOU realize what The President is doing while people like McConnell and Boehner sit back and bite their fingernails in fear of doing everything possible to stop him???  No - what you do is go after the very few we have in congress trying to stop this madman from taking over our country...... get over yourselves and your hatred for Cruz and the Tea Party and realize what is going on because it is very soon going to be too late to do anything... and I blame every one of you who are so afraid of change you support people who are well past their expiration dates and are as much the problem as the Democrats.  These people are not working for US they are in it for themselves and the hell with all of us - the ONLY people trying to help us are people like Cruz, Lee, Paul and about 60 men and women in congress.


It's funny how I see you as the misguided fool.  Working so hard to destroy the only realistic chance we have in stopping Obama...voting in Republicans.  But your post shows you fear working with a majority of Americans to solve our problems and your arrogance in thinking you can demand to get your way through the force of your righteous indignation.  The GOPe no longer fears you.  The world no longer revolves around 3 pitiful freshmen Senators and 60 Congressmen.  You are outnumbered in this war.  comeback when you got more guys.





And this is precisely why Obama and the democrats will continue to run things after 2014 - may even have a lock on Congress, again - and may even give us President Hillary Clinton in 2016, even though it should be more and more obvious by now that they've thoroughly trashed the country. 


Instead of shooting at each other, why not at least try shooting at the democrats from time to time?  Heaven knows they've given you enough juicy targets - even someone who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn could at least get a wing-shot in with the targets they've provided.

The blame goes both ways.

How about this:





The Cruzes of the world, and the tea partiers, make the perfect bad-cop foils to the Boehner, et al., good-cops; conversely, the Boehner good-cops make the perfect foils to the Cruz bad-cops.  Or would, if only they - and their supporters - could get their heads out of each other's nether regions long enough to realize that.


So why don't the lot of you try applying a little more of the 11th Commandment - and a little more intelligence and common sense - and make common ground?  Otherwise, you're nothing more than the perfect campaign ad for the democrats:


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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 10:03:58 AM »



And this is precisely why Obama and the democrats will continue to run things after 2014 - may even have a lock on Congress, again - and may even give us President Hillary Clinton in 2016, even though it should be more and more obvious by now that they've thoroughly trashed the country. 


Instead of shooting at each other, why not at least try shooting at the democrats from time to time?  Heaven knows they've given you enough juicy targets - even someone who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn could at least get a wing-shot in with the targets they've provided.

The blame goes both ways.

How about this:





The Cruzes of the world, and the tea partiers, make the perfect bad-cop foils to the Boehner, et al., good-cops; conversely, the Boehner good-cops make the perfect foils to the Cruz bad-cops.  Or would, if only they - and their supporters - could get their heads out of each other's nether regions long enough to realize that.


So why don't the lot of you try applying a little more of the 11th Commandment - and a little more intelligence and common sense - and make common ground?  Otherwise, you're nothing more than the perfect campaign ad for the democrats:


Hillary for President 2016
this ad brought to you by the GOP
(and paid for by the rest of the country)



I strongly disagree with your entire post but will defend to death your right to post it!

There is currently a battle going on for the heart and soul of the Republican party and that battle MUST be won by conservatives! If it isn't this country is FINISHED as anything even remotely like a free country!
 
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2014, 10:42:28 AM »
I strongly disagree with your entire post but will defend to death your right to post it!

There is currently a battle going on for the heart and soul of the Republican party and that battle MUST be won by conservatives! If it isn't this country is FINISHED as anything even remotely like a free country!
 

Disagree away.  Just do so with the awareness that your views are antithetical to those of Reagan:
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"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.


I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'


If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.


That you were a purist who demanded all or nothing, and never compromised on that principle will be cold comfort when you're suffering in the fetters of socialism being forged for you even now.

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2014, 10:50:49 AM »
Disagree away.  Just do so with the awareness that your views are antithetical to those of Reagan:

That you were a purist who demanded all or nothing, and never compromised on that principle will be cold comfort when you're suffering in the fetters of socialism being forged for you even now.

I have labored in the vineyard of the Republican party for more than 40 years now (since 1972), observed the 11th commandment for most of that time,  and what has it brought me? NO MORE will I be silent when I see fellow Republicans aligning themselves with the forces of EVIL!

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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2014, 10:59:41 AM »
I strongly disagree with your entire post but will defend to death your right to post it!

There is currently a battle going on for the heart and soul of the Republican party and that battle MUST be won by conservatives! If it isn't this country is FINISHED as anything even remotely like a free country!

Could not agree more Bigun!  This is no time for business as usual - and it is certainly NOT the time to go wobbly in the knees!  Not only are we engaged in a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican party - we are in a battle for the survival of our American destiny. 

How can we entrust the GOP as currently led to wage this do-or-die battle?  We can't!  They run for cover as soon as the going gets rough.  People like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and a few other courageous people are willing to put their necks on the chopping block to actually stand up and fight this monstrous rape of our life, liberty and pursuits of happiness!

These things will never be found while clinging to the government teat!

I swear - there are people here that are absolutely OBSESSED with hating on Ted Cruz!  It seems that they stalk the board, searching for any mention of Cruz so they can pounce on him and pummel his body to a bloody pulp!!!

WHY???  Because he DARES to stand up to the powers that be!  He dares to enter the battle that they say "can't be won". 

I'm sure there were those that said those things about Normandy and D-Day - thank God we had leaders that refused to listen.  Victory is not for the timid.  Instead of giving Cruz bloody hell - how about backing him and perhaps giving others who are more timid some cover so they will wage the battle too?  We need all the help we can get - and I don't want to hear anymore of this crap that we can't win the battle right now and we have to concede... concede... concede... CONCEDE... (which will supposedly put the Democrats in a tight spot to have to concede some of their sacred cows  :chairbang: - that's really rich!  :silly:) - until we can gain control and defeat them!  That is suicide!  Yeah...right - the GOP is going to gain control by insulting and mocking their base and by letting the media and their progressive mole consultants tell them that they must become more like the Democrats to win elections.  You can't make this stuff up!
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2014, 11:05:59 AM »
I have labored in the vineyard of the Republican party for more than 40 years now (since 1972), observed the 11th commandment for most of that time,  and what has it brought me? NO MORE will I be silent when I see fellow Republicans aligning themselves with the forces of EVIL!

NEVER AGAIN!

You still do, my brother - the bolded bits. You speak of them in your silence most of the time. That's pretty neat and something I respect.

I am not going all out for Cruz for only one reason. He's kept his word. He's shaking things up and getting people to notice how bad things are. But you know pup officers come in all eager and excited and half of them implode within a few months. I want to see him tested in the green, not in theory. Thus far, I like him. Don't always agree with him, that's a given.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2014, 11:06:19 AM »
Could not agree more Bigun!  This is no time for business as usual - and it is certainly NOT the time to go wobbly in the knees!  Not only are we engaged in a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican party - we are in a battle for the survival of our American destiny. 

How can we entrust the GOP as currently led to wage this do-or-die battle?  We can't!  They run for cover as soon as the going gets rough.  People like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee and a few other courageous people are willing to put their necks on the chopping block to actually stand up and fight this monstrous rape of our life, liberty and pursuits of happiness!

These things will never be found while clinging to the government teat!

I swear - there are people here that are absolutely OBSESSED with hating on Ted Cruz!  It seems that they stalk the board, searching for any mention of Cruz so they can pounce on him and pummel his body to a bloody pulp!!!

WHY???  Because he DARES to stand up to the powers that be!  He dares to enter the battle that they say "can't be won". 

I'm sure there were those that said those things about Normandy and D-Day - thank God we had leaders that refused to listen.  Victory is not for the timid.  Instead of giving Cruz bloody hell - how about backing him and perhaps giving others who are more timid some cover so they will wage the battle too?  We need all the help we can get - and I don't want to hear anymore of this crap that we can't win the battle right now and we have to concede... concede... concede... CONCEDE... (which will supposedly put the Democrats in a tight spot to have to concede some of their sacred cows  :chairbang: - that's really rich!  :silly:) - until we can gain control and defeat them!  That is suicide!  Yeah...right - the GOP is going to gain control by insulting and mocking their base and by letting the media and their progressive mole consultants tell them that they must become more like the Democrats to win elections.  You can't make this stuff up!

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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2014, 11:10:37 AM »
You still do, my brother - the bolded bits. You speak of them in your silence most of the time. That's pretty neat and something I respect.

I am not going all out for Cruz for only one reason. He's kept his word. He's shaking things up and getting people to notice how bad things are. But you know pup officers come in all eager and excited and half of them implode within a few months. I want to see him tested in the green, not in theory. Thus far, I like him. Don't always agree with him, that's a given.

Thank You for the kind words my brother!

Hell! I Don't always agree with him but I DO very much admire the fact that he is out there leading from the front as all REAL leaders do! As you say we will have to wait and see what it comes to but at this moment I could not be more proud of the man!
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2014, 11:12:13 AM »
BRAVO!!!!

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2014, 11:17:11 AM »
Thanks Bigun - my brother in battle - prayers for our victory!  We have truth on our side. 

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2014, 11:18:09 AM »
Thank You for the kind words my brother!

Hell! I Don't always agree with him but I DO very much admire the fact that he is out there leading from the front as all REAL leaders do! As you say we will have to wait and see what it comes to but at this moment I could not be more proud of the man!

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Re: Ted Cruz isn't planning to be in the Senate very long
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2014, 11:48:28 AM »
Thanks Bigun - my brother in battle - prayers for our victory!  We have truth on our side. 

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Perhaps the Cruz haters and posters telling us to fall in line and shut up can show us what the,old guard GOP gas accomplished lately??? All they do is capitulate while Obama and his minions steal the country from under them.. fun fact, if we didn't have Cruz, Lee, Paul the,take over would be complete and won without,a whimper from the GOP... and telling us Boehner gave us sequester don t fly, he caved on it,at his first opportunity.
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