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Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« on: February 12, 2014, 07:58:16 AM »

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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 12:49:08 PM »
I won't take a statin drug.

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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 03:13:49 PM »
I avoid doctors. I know it's a risk, but going to a doctor is a risk too.
At some point, if you follow the wrong doctor's advice, you become a human chemistry experiment.

Finding the right doctor is easier said than done, especially in today's world of "in network" doctors.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 03:41:15 PM »
Been on statins for 20 years.  These miracle drugs are demonstrating more and more benefits.
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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 05:28:59 PM »
A balanced diet is, it goes without saying, an important factor in overall health.

However, in lots of cases (mine is one), high LDL is genetic, and no amount of dieting or exercise worked in reducing it.  Statins are the only thing that worked.
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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 08:20:10 PM »
A balanced diet is, it goes without saying, an important factor in overall health.

However, in lots of cases (mine is one), high LDL is genetic, and no amount of dieting or exercise worked in reducing it.  Statins are the only thing that worked.
Indeed; heart trouble runs in the Fuller family and I have several older relatives who were put on statins. However, it should be a last resort, not a first line of defense.

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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 08:40:28 PM »
I hate statins.  I've tried nearly all of them and they have made me sick to deathly ill.

The only people who should take them are those who have tried everything else to lower cholesterol and it is still very high.

However, no one should be forced to take them.
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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 08:55:56 PM »

    Rhabdomyolysis, extreme muscle inflammation and damage. With this condition, muscles all over the body become painful and weak. The severely damaged muscles release proteins into the blood that collect in the kidneys. The kidneys can become damaged trying to eliminate a large amount of muscle breakdown caused by statin use. This can ultimately lead to kidney failure or even death. Fortunately, rhabdomyolysis is extremely rare. It occurs in less than one in 10,000 people taking statins.

My father was taking Simvastatin.  For months before Christmas he complained that walking was extremely painful for him.  I took him to the doctor several times and his doctor said it was his hip joint and each visit, he upped pain prescriptions and sent him home.  His pain kept getting worse and shortly before Christmas he just couldn't get up anymore because it hurt too much.  I thought, well this is it - he can't walk anymore.  I called an ambulance and they took him to the hospital and ran tests.  It turned out that he had Rhabdomyolysis with extremely high levels of CPK and possible kidney damage.  They ran a lot of liquids through him and his doctor took him off of the Simvastatin immediately.  It took about a week, but finally his levels came down and they let him come home.  He hasn't had to take a pain pill since then and walks much better now. 

It wasn't his hip, it was the statins.  They were destroying his muscles. 
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Re: Guidelines call for [millions] more people to be put on statins
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 11:00:08 PM »
A GP put me on them a few years ago.  I started having terrible hip pain and cannot take pain pills because of my kidneys (wouldn't take them if I could) and then one day I was in Michael's and started to literally hurt all over.. had to go to Walmart afterwards and could barely walk through the store, that night I couldn't even lift my 20 pound dog on the bed... stopped taking the statins and told the doctor what happened  - wrote in my chart no more statins....  today I just have a bit of pain in my right hip when I lay on that side in bed. 

Then my kidney doctor said they never should have prescribed statin drugs to me at all - this is why:

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/09/statin-cholesterol-lowering-drugs.aspx

 For every 10,000 people taking a statin, there were:

    307 extra patients with cataracts
    23 additional patients with acute kidney failure
    74 extra patients with liver dysfunction

Another thing is they also affect cholesterol in the brain -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14574624

 a lot of people don't realize this and a lot of doctors are insistent on having the total cholesterol level too low.  High LDL isn't good, but if the HDL is really high (which mine is) there is a balance.  Also remember - grass-fed meat is higher in Omega 3 which is the good Omega and can balance out your cholesterol. Corn-fed meat is high in Omega 6- the bad Omega.

 HDL percentage is a far more potent indicator for heart disease risk. Here are the two ratios you should pay attention to:

    HDL/Total Cholesterol Ratio: Should ideally be above 24 percent. If below 10 percent, you have a significantly elevated risk for heart disease.
    Triglyceride/HDL Ratio: Should be below 2.

Additional risk factors for heart disease include:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/09/statin-cholesterol-lowering-drugs.aspx

   
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Your fasting insulin level: Any meal or snack high in carbohydrates like fructose and refined grains generates a rapid rise in blood glucose and then insulin to compensate for the rise in blood sugar. The insulin released from eating too many carbs promotes fat production and makes it more difficult for your body to shed excess weight, and excess fat, particularly around your belly, is one of the major contributors to heart disease

    Your fasting blood sugar level: Studies have shown that people with a fasting blood sugar level of 100-125 mg/dl had a nearly 300 percent increase higher risk of having coronary heart disease than people with a level below 79 mg/dl

    Your iron level: Iron can be a very potent oxidative stress, so if you have excess iron levels you can damage your blood vessels and increase your risk of heart disease. Ideally, you should monitor your ferritin levels and make sure they are not much above 80 ng/ml. The simplest way to lower them if they are elevated is to donate your blood. If that is not possible you can have a therapeutic phlebotomy and that will effectively eliminate the excess iron from your body


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