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Offline xfreeper

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« on: February 06, 2014, 12:10:40 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 12:12:09 PM »
This has the potential to get very ugly. There simply is not enough water to go around and it looks as though the supplies are going to continue to dwindle at least until next rain season

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 12:16:23 PM »
Any noises about building some desalinization plants?

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 12:37:48 PM »
Constantly under discussion for years. Probably never going to be a significant source of water in the state

One recent take: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/13/news/la-ol-ocean-water-desalination-20131112
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 01:40:38 PM »
Constantly under discussion for years. Probably never going to be a significant source of water in the state

One recent take: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/13/news/la-ol-ocean-water-desalination-20131112

From the sound of it, it's really just a matter of cost, and it sounds as if the cost of water is likely to start taking off in California sooner rather than later, so my guess is that it's just a matter of time before they start cropping up.

In terms of the main by-product, brine, couldn't that be used as a source for marketable salt?  Certainly the stuff could be used in the winter to melt ice, if nothing else.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 01:49:55 PM »
In terms of the main by-product, brine, couldn't that be used as a source for marketable salt?  Certainly the stuff could be used in the winter to melt ice, if nothing else.

Not much of a demand in the SW.
Cost is one factor but nothing develops quickly in CA. A myriad of regulations and the usual lawsuits from greens or other opponents is something that is difficult and very time consuming to work through

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 01:54:41 PM »
In terms of the main by-product, brine, couldn't that be used as a source for marketable salt?  Certainly the stuff could be used in the winter to melt ice, if nothing else.

Not much of a demand in the SW.
Cost is one factor but nothing develops quickly in CA. A myriad of regulations and the usual lawsuits from greens or other opponents is something that is difficult and very time consuming to work through


I'm thinking more about the possibilities of marketing the brine to the midwest and the northeast.  For example, I believe that they now use a liquid brine that's put down just before it starts snowing in order to get a jumpstart on clearing the roads.  I have no idea where that brine comes from, but it suggests to me that maybe the brine from a desalination plant could, with only a little extra filtering, be sold for use that way.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 01:55:37 PM »
Any noises about building some desalinization plants?
In my city there is a proposed plant, to be built by Poseidon, next to an existing natural gas fueled electric generating facility (AES).

Down the coast there is another proposed desal plant in Carlsbad. Yet others in Florida, Mexico, Brazil, others too.

http://poseidonwater.com/our_projects/all_projects

Much resistance from the usual environmental alarmists, including Surfrider. The environmentalists routinely exaggerate and the other side is always backed by solid science.

Since I have lived in the same town for 46 years, with a background in oil, energy, construction, etc. I have followed several cases.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2014, 01:56:58 PM »
In my city there is a proposed plant, to be built by Poseidon, next to an existing natural gas fueled electric generating facility (AES).

Down the coast there is another proposed desal plant in Carlsbad. Yet others in Florida, Mexico, Brazil, others too.

http://poseidonwater.com/our_projects/all_projects

Much resistance from the usual environmental alarmists, including Surfrider. The environmentalists routinely exaggerate and the other side is always backed by solid science.

Since I have lived in the same town for 46 years, with a background in oil, energy, construction, etc. I have followed several cases.

Is the mood turning toward the pro desalination side or away from it as time goes on?

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2014, 04:51:26 PM »
Any noises about building some desalinization plants?

They take energy and California is importing it's energy due to the greenies, if they would allow fracking and develop their natural gas then desalinization would be affordable, but right now it is so energy expensive people wouldn't be able to afford the water.  They built a plant over ten years ago on the AZ/CA border and they only run it periodically to make sure it still works - too expensive to run 24/7


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