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« Last Edit: February 06, 2014, 07:59:42 AM by rangerrebew »
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Just a little FYI:  the president's ability to use American military forces within the US was first expanded (most recently) in 2006 under GWB, who had argued in favor of the changes.  Those changes were repealed in 2008 because of concerns that they made it a little too easy for the president to resort to the use of federal military troops within the US.

So this sort of power grab does have some bipartisan support.

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Contrary to contemporary opinion, the camps were believed necessary by the citizens in the areas affected.

There were submarine nets constructed to block Jap subs from entering the harbors and ports. There were shellings by Jap vessels, at Ellwood oil fields, north of Santa Barbara--the first direct attack on the US     mainland since 1812.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellwood_Oil_Field

And it later turned out there WERE subversive forces among the California residents of Japanese origins.

The sad but intellectually honest result of your ethnic group attacking America: You become suspect.

Self preservation is a strong instinct. My Dad worked on the internment camp facilities in Wyoming as a teen, and my Mother recounts blackouts over the entire California coast.

Finally I have known people who's families were interned, and they seemed to understand the reality of how it came to be.

Germans and Italians were interned too.

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Contrary to contemporary opinion, the camps were believed necessary by the citizens in the areas affected.

There were submarine nets constructed to block Jap subs from entering the harbors and ports. There were shellings by Jap vessels, at Ellwood oil fields, north of Santa Barbara--the first direct attack on the US     mainland since 1812.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellwood_Oil_Field

And it later turned out there WERE subversive forces among the California residents of Japanese origins.

The sad but intellectually honest result of your ethnic group attacking America: You become suspect.

Self preservation is a strong instinct. My Dad worked on the internment camp facilities in Wyoming as a teen, and my Mother recounts blackouts over the entire California coast.

Finally I have known people who's families were interned, and they seemed to understand the reality of how it came to be.

Germans and Italians were interned too.



the internments were still disproportionately Japanese and were much more indiscriminate, most likely driven as much by racism as by anything else.  After all, a second generation Japanese American still looks "foreign" whereas a second generation German or Italian American looks just like the rest of us.

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So this sort of power grab does have some bipartisan support.

Yes, doesn't make it right. This is why I have been as critical of Bush as anyone else (Bush #41 and #43) and I was and still am against creating Department of HLS.  Why are we arming our police departments?   This morning two former policemen - one from Indiana and one from Maine both called in to Glenn Beck's radio show to tell him (due to discussion of the fireman in San Diego being arrested at the scene of an accident for not moving the fire truck) that the younger officers are actually being sent to HLS training classes and in the classes being told to ignore the constitution that "only those crazy right wingers think it is relevant."  They also said there is no comparison in the older and mostly retiring now officers and these young officers who are bursting into our homes, killing our dogs, and more...... it is all part of the new training.

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Roosevelt put them in camps because they voted for Republicans and he needed them out of the way to win the 1944 election... California in particular.  As soon as he won the 1944 election he started making plans to take the camps down.    He used a similar method in 1942 election to win Pennsylvania.  He locked up Moses Louis Annenberg.  He had to get him out of the way in order to win PA - so off to prison he went. Roosevelt then carried PA and won the 1942 election.  Oh, and Roosevelt used the IRS as his weapon to jail Annenberg.
I'm relying on my parents and grandparents, who lived through the war in Socal, and were btw Republicans.

So I will restate, there was wide public support for internment, and for valid reasons--and I stated them.

Your version, since I have never heard of, I'll assume may have come from Beck or Buchanan, or some other source, since you give none.
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I'm relying on my parents and grandparents, who lived through the war in Socal, and were btw Republicans.

So I will restate, there was wide public support for internment, and for valid reasons--and I stated them.

Your version, since I have never heard of, I'll assume may have come from Beck or Buchanan, or some other source, since you give none.

First of all Roosevelt could not have done this if he had not convinced the public Japanese were bad people... I'm sure you know that. As to the history -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt%27s_record_on_civil_rights

Interior Secretary Ickes lobbied Roosevelt through 1944 to release the Japanese American internees, but Roosevelt did not act until after the November presidential election. A fight for Japanese American civil rights meant a fight with influential Democrats, the Army, and the Hearst press and would have endangered Roosevelt's chances of winning California in 1944.

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Every time a Democrat's in the White House, we have these insane stories about internment camps.

It happened under Clinton, now Obama. 

What's next?  Contrails?
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
George Washington

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Benjamin Franklin


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