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Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« on: February 06, 2014, 07:07:45 AM »
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Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to ‘escape’ their jobs

Posted By Sarah Hurtubise On 11:36 PM 02/05/2014 In | No Comments


The Congressional Budget Office says Obamacare will take people out of the labor force — and the law’s supporters say that’s a good thing.

“Yesterday, the CBO projected that by 2021, the Affordable Care Act will enable more than 2 million workers to escape ‘job-lock’ — the situation where workers remain tied to employers for access to health insurance benefits,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi crowed in a press release. ”The GOP seems to have forgotten that ending ‘job-lock’ has been an avowed Republican goal for years — even a highlight in the Republican Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential race.”

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler piled on as well: “Look at it this way: If someone says they decided to leave their job for personal reasons, most people would not say they ‘lost’ their jobs. They simply decided not to work.”

But the CBO report isn’t about “job-lock.” The numbers demonstrate that the equivalent of over 2 million full-time employees will be better off financially if they quit work entirely — not a particular job — in order to get more taxpayer subsidies for health care.

Most of that effect, the CBO reported, will be full-time employees moving to part-time work only because taxpayer subsidies will amount to more than the difference in pay.

In simpler terms, people will be discouraged from staying in jobs they’ve chosen because they’ll be paid more to be unemployed or underemployed. In the end, there will be a growing population of American who will receive a larger amount of public benefits provided by a shrinking share of working Americans.

“Job-lock” itself is a different problem. Instead of effectively paying people to work less, as Obamacare does, conservative proposals would end federal preferences for employer-based insurance, allowing Americans to take insurance with them from job to job. People would not be stuck with a specific employer because they want to stay insured.

Conservative health policy heavyweights James Capretta and Tom Miller have repeatedly argued for a movement to what they call portable insurance. The tax code ties gives those with employer-based coverage a break, making it harder for Americans to switch jobs as they please.

“If households, not firms, chose and controlled their own insurance plans, people would no longer face the risks that come with changing coverage based on new employment arrangements,” the scholars wrote just after Obamacare was passed in 2010. “By carrying the same insurance plan from one job to the next (or even through periods with no job at all), individuals would keep their coverage even as their health status changed.”

McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign also floated the idea of equalizing tax treatment for employer-based health insurance, as Pelosi recalled. McCain’s version extended equal tax breaks to those with health coverage that isn’t tied to an employer; other proposals could end tax breaks altogether.

Obama opposed these proposals, saying, “Senator McCain would pay for his plan, in part, by taxing your health care benefits for the first time in history.”

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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 04:58:14 PM »
The liberals already control the poor, they are using this portion of OCare to take control of the middle class....
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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 05:06:25 PM »
Pelosi:  Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs

... and their wives, children, baby mamas, joint parenting hook ups, etc.

Government, according to Obama and Pelosi, frees us all from any sort of responsibilities.
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“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 05:09:41 PM »
Pelosi:  Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs

... and their wives, children, baby mamas, joint parenting hook ups, etc.

Government, according to Obama and Pelosi, frees us all from any sort of responsibilities.

Might be why they are so unwilling to take responsibility.
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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 05:13:47 PM »
Government is storing us in the palm of their hand and making us all poor and dependent on uncle sugar.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 05:17:21 PM »
Might be why they are so unwilling to take responsibility.

You give it some thought.

Obama's and Pelosi's notion of "freeing" people from their needs to maintain a job, extends itself to freeing people from all the reasons why they may need to maintain a job at all. That includes providing for a family and/or your dependents, since the unspoken yet associated truth behind this sort of freedom is that those responsible for that family are freed from the responsibility since no matter what they may do, they know that the government is there to provide for them.
“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 05:34:11 PM »
You give it some thought.

Obama's and Pelosi's notion of "freeing" people from their needs to maintain a job, extends itself to freeing people from all the reasons why they may need to maintain a job at all. That includes providing for a family and/or your dependents, since the unspoken yet associated truth behind this sort of freedom is that those responsible for that family are freed from the responsibility since no matter what they may do, they know that the government is there to provide for them.

True. And very sad way of thinking. But it is pervasive, not only in the 47%, but in the ones in power too.

Not a Christie fan at all, but he stood up and took responsibility for the bridge thing, in public. GWB took responsibility. Reagan took responsibility for Iran/Contra. Name one Democrat who has done the same.

Heck, Obama only finds out stuff from the newspapers  :whistle: Not his fault, and certainly not his responsibility.
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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2014, 04:50:26 PM »
Might be why they are so unwilling to take responsibility.

Why are people at national parks told not to feed the wildlife?  For the very reason they will become addicted to not working for themselves in much same way people are addicted to heroin.
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Re: Pelosi: Obamacare allows workers to escape their jobs
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2014, 05:05:17 PM »
In order for this to be really true though you need workers to keep this going because without workers there can be no freebees. I don't understand how this line of thinking ever got into our society since anyone with any brain cells at all knows money must come from somewhere or this type of society goes bankrupt and ends with everyone but the very rich not only just poor but starving. Why isn't what happened to the Soviet Union in the end taught in schools everything and everyone was in chaos till capitalism had a chance to help them out of hell on earth. Why do we have university's professors encouraging this have they no brains at all. What has happened to common sense I really would like to know. Communism has been the cause of many wars why has our country turned toward this after fighting it for so many years? I wish I hadn't lived to see this.


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