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February 3, 2014
Why Gays Have So Much Influence on Our Culture
By Alicia Colon

We've had the Gaymmys; we've had Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson suspended for expressing unfavorable comments about anal intercourse; HBO has a new series, Looking about three gay men looking for love. It seems as though just about every television show, whether comedy or drama now has a gay character as a regular.

It's not surprising that homosexuality has become mainstream in our culture because nearly everyone has a relative or friend who is gay and we have been deeply influenced by those words of Harvey Fierstein who said, "I just want to be loved. Is that so wrong?" What we have failed to realize, however, is that there has never been anything morally wrong about loving anyone, same sex or not.

But love is not what is behind the gay rights movement; it is a powerful marketing tool, though, much better than using words related to the specific sexual acts that trouble many observers.

One of the most intriguing and illuminating articles I have ever read about this polarizing issue was written by a gay Catholic man, Ronald G. Lee, originally published in the New Oxford Review. Lee formerly lived in Austin, Texas, and regularly visited Lobo's, a gay book store:   

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    Looking inside from the street all you saw were books. It looked like any other bookstore. There was a section devoted to classic "gay" fiction by writers such as Oscar Wilde, Gertrude Stein, and W.H. Auden.... But if you went inside to browse, before long you noticed another section, behind the books, a section not visible from the street. The pornography section. Hundreds and hundreds of pornographic videos, all involving men, but otherwise catering to every conceivable sexual taste or fantasy. And you would notice something else too. There were no customers in the front. All the customers were in the back, rooting through the videos. As far as I know, I am the only person who ever actually purchased a book at Lobo's. The books were, in every sense of the word, a front for the porn. (snip)

    This is how I "deconstruct" Lobo's. There are two kinds of people who are going to be looking in through the window: those who are tempted to engage in homosexual acts, and those who aren't. To those who aren't, the shelves of books transmit the message that gay people are no different from anyone else, that homosexuality is not wrong, just different. Since most of them will never know more about homosexuality than what they learned looking in the window, that impression is of the greatest political and cultural importance, because on that basis they will react without alarm, or even with active support, to the progress of gay rights. There are millions of well-meaning Americans who support gay rights because they believe that what they see looking in at Lobo's is what is really there. It does not occur to them that they are seeing a carefully stage-managed effort to manipulate them, to distract them from a truth they would never condone.


The rest of the long but worthy article describes his struggle between his faith and his homosexual urges. The Catholic Church does not condone homosexual activity but it also does not condone any sexual activity outside marriage which it defines as a sacramental union between a man and a woman. The virtue of chastity is extremely difficult for anyone to practice in this hedonistic society but not an impossible goal if one considers the consequences of one's actions.

Those consequences are hidden in the campaign to mainstream the homosexual lifestyles. We do not talk with our neighbors or relatives about their sexual activity, be they homosexual or heterosexual. It is not polite and we have been programmed to ignore our anxiety about their welfare. What is abominable is that our youth are being seduced by this campaign and remain totally ignorant of any downside to their choices confusing love and lust. Sex, which has the potential to be a unique spiritual union, has been defined down to a recreational activity, suitable for anyone by him- or herself or in concert with any partner who happens to appeal at the moment. This harms all people of all sexual orientations, denying them one of life's peak experiences in favor of frequent and mundane coupling and merely physiological orgasms.

But it is those who struggle with same-sex urges who are the greatest victims. Those lovable characters in the sitcoms are robustly healthy and affluent, cuddly folks who never even hint at any of the negative consequences that follow on a lifetime of practicing anal intercourse. Nobody wears Depends, nobody deals with feces-borne diseases, and the devastation of AIDS is left for a few feature films that generate sympathy for the victims without addressing the behavioral component of the disease vector. With few exceptions, such as the ignorance of partners or innocent children born to the infected, the AIDS virus is preventable with proper behavior.

The Catholic Church has recognized struggles with one's sexuality in the communities and within the clergy, but some within its ranks support dubious movements such as Dignity which ignores the church's support of chastity. There is only one sanctioned organization that supports the homosexual's union with Mother Church and that is Courage. Its members remain chaste and are fully practicing Catholics. Courage should not be confused with other evangelical Christian groups that claim to convert the homosexual to a heterosexual lifestyle. Rather its mission is to foster a reunion with the church and through fellowship with other members conquer the drives that have caused the separation.

One member of my church is writing a history of Courage that may enlighten others and be helpful to Catholic gays as Bill W's book was for alcoholics.

The brilliant poet, playwright and novelist, Oscar Wilde, asked to be baptized into the Church on his deathbed. I hope that many others will not wait till their dying days to feel the warmth of that all embracing love that is completely pure and cleanses one's soul.

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 09:02:47 AM »
Good article.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 09:25:50 AM »
Gays have influence because:
1..they practice a hedonistic lifestyle that people are attracted to.
2..they are talented and have money which politicians and money grabbers are attracted to.

Their small percentage numbers are over represented in influence by a factor of 10 to 1.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 09:30:46 AM »
Am I the only one who notices these things?

The authors name is Alicia Colon who writes a story about gays. Unfortunate coincidence.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 09:33:20 AM »
What of heteros who engage in anal sex?  Not something people discuss while carving a turkey.  Perhaps oral sex?  Sodomy and I'm presuming a whole lot more popular than canasta.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 09:35:55 AM »
It's either an unfortunate coincidence or a SNL skit.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 09:45:40 AM »
You would not believe the pressure to insert "gay friendly" story lines or tropes into scripts. From what some friends say, TV is worse than film in that respect.

Don't get me wrong, if it is needed for the story, I fully support it. The tale is the king. But if it is not needed, why even try to shoehorn it in?
A case in point - Torchwood, series 1. You had a lead who was bisexual or openly gay, depending on your reading of the scenes. It was well done. John Barrowman did a bloody sterling job at being ambiguous about everything, not just his sexuality.
Then take Sherlock Holmes. The movie with Robert Downey Jr., not the series. Totally homo-erotic subtext, which is in no way supported by the source material. Holmes was not terribly interested in sex, but Irene Adler was his definition of a perfect woman.

It's a thin line to tread, when you work scripts. And you will get pressure to make them more "gay friendly."
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 10:39:20 AM »
You would not believe the pressure to insert "gay friendly" story lines or tropes into scripts. From what some friends say, TV is worse than film in that respect.

Don't get me wrong, if it is needed for the story, I fully support it. The tale is the king. But if it is not needed, why even try to shoehorn it in?
A case in point - Torchwood, series 1. You had a lead who was bisexual or openly gay, depending on your reading of the scenes. It was well done. John Barrowman did a bloody sterling job at being ambiguous about everything, not just his sexuality.
Then take Sherlock Holmes. The movie with Robert Downey Jr., not the series. Totally homo-erotic subtext, which is in no way supported by the source material. Holmes was not terribly interested in sex, but Irene Adler was his definition of a perfect woman.

It's a thin line to tread, when you work scripts. And you will get pressure to make them more "gay friendly."

That has not gone unnoticed. The channel HGTV was one of the worst offenders when I was watching it during the building of my house. I began thinking I was strange. How come I didn't have a domestic partner?
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 10:51:46 AM »
You all have to admit....that getting children to recognize, understand and accept homosexuality as a genetic quirk, is the only way they will live "normal" lives.

And why should they....in this day and age of technology and science?  Why should anybody be forced to live WHAT IS A NATURAL LIFE TO THEM...in the closet and made dirty and sinful?

So...it seems they've got that covered...the children part, because now the 'student' is a teenager and soon a parent.


Who doesn't remember the boy in your 4th grade (age 10) gym class that couldn't climb a rope?  Threw like a girl?  Gestured like a girl?  Sounded like a girl?

Thinking back...I wish we hadn't teased the hell out of them all the time.   
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 10:56:37 AM »
That has not gone unnoticed. The channel HGTV was one of the worst offenders when I was watching it during the building of my house. I began thinking I was strange. How come I didn't have a domestic partner?

The worst bit is the read-throughs. You take a script (it could be the best thing since Shakespeare or it could be scribbled on the back of a napkin in crayon). Run through it with the actors. Shift a word here, stick in a colloquial there, remove a bunch of exposition (it seems that every single script writer ever does exposition instead of understanding there is a camera that can show you shit) and try to make the dialogue sound right. Ad-libs that work get jotted down. The rough's go to a focus group, which is basically anyone with 2 hours to spare who wants to keep getting paid and have free sandwiches. There are a lot of people hanging around a studio. A huge percentage of them are homosexual.

They judge on realism and interest.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2014, 11:00:03 AM »

A case in point - Torchwood, series 1. You had a lead who was bisexual or openly gay, depending on your reading of the scenes. It was well done. John Barrowman did a bloody sterling job at being ambiguous about everything, not just his sexuality.


I just started watching Torchwood.  Will have to see just how "sterling" a job he did as to whether I continue. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2014, 11:03:15 AM »
I just started watching Torchwood.  Will have to see just how "sterling" a job he did as to whether I continue.

You might want to skip Episode 4 (or 5, memory is glitching). Nothing revolting, just a kiss, but still.

I do think you'll like it. Fun, tense, you will start to hate Gwen very rapidly.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2014, 11:15:00 AM »
You might want to skip Episode 4 (or 5, memory is glitching). Nothing revolting, just a kiss, but still.

I do think you'll like it. Fun, tense, you will start to hate Gwen very rapidly.

As noted upthread, if it's relevant to the story fine, but far too often it is like the gratuitous nudity that has invaded everything. 

I do like it so far, but have really just started.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 11:23:38 AM »
You might want to skip Episode 4 (or 5, memory is glitching). Nothing revolting, just a kiss, but still.

I do think you'll like it. Fun, tense, you will start to hate Gwen very rapidly.

If you are easily offended, might want to skip several episodes in Series 2 (or 3, I can't remember) called Miracle Day. They have a few full blown dude on dude action (not just kissing).

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 11:25:06 AM »
Off topic, but there was a western series a while back, I think on Showtime or HBO, where the characters threw around the F bomb. But if I'm not mistaken the old west had different cursewords then the F word. Because I love the western genre that really bothered me.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 11:27:51 AM »
As noted upthread, if it's relevant to the story fine, but far too often it is like the gratuitous nudity that has invaded everything. 

I do like it so far, but have really just started.

I liked it. It fit and it works. Without spoiling it for you, it balances out the tension between Jack and Gwen. Then you get one hell of a shock the following episode. No more said - but you'll love it.

Note:I am purely judging by story. Nothing else. Being an amoral sod at the best of times, I judge the tale.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 11:42:48 AM »
Here is my take on what is going on.

1. There has been an anti-bullying move in pop culture building up to this for about a decade if not longer.

2. This has converged with stories of gay suicide rates. The meme usually comes up if someone is accused of being homophobic, it almost always leads to a story about bullying and suicide.

3. We like to root for the underdogs. Our pop culture has always pushed this. From Rudy to the Breakfast Club. The underdog or outcast is the hero you want to win.

4. Up until recently (with some exceptions of course), gays weren't militant as a group. They were always the quirky, likable friends. The Bon Vivants, the Dandys, the non-threatening, weird guy all the girls hung around with. They were the guys in every town who were always part of the cultural scene. They were a fixture in society like a modern art gallery. Not for everyone's tastes, a little quirky, but always added a bit of color to what was around them. (And admit it guys, there were few funner girls to hang around with than butch Lesbians. They would drink with you, laugh at jokes you usually couldn't say around ladies, and were just 'one of the guys').  I've seen their attitudes change drastically over the past five or six years. They not only have become militant in positions, they have become extremely angry and stereotyping. They are becoming the bullies they used to be the victim of. They say they are just reacting to just how they are treated.

I've seen this with many friends who are gay. The absolute hate coming from what was the nicest people not long ago. From conversations, they honestly feel the Christian Right will round them up in camps if given the opportunity. They've always been pretty open with me, talking about the 'others' because they see me as more libertarian on a lot of issues.

5. Let's be frank, and this is surly going to piss people off, but our side has done very little to help with any of this. We have failed to treat them as individuals and instead, damn them as a group. We are doing a good job ourselves in becoming the monster that was painted of us by the left. This is a very respectful site but look at some other 'right' sites. I've actually seen people cheer Nigeria's ban on homosexuals and say things like 'that's one thing Islam has right' when it comes to treatment of them. We are conservatives and libertarians. We are supposed to be about the individual, not the group.

Yes, some will say that we are just reacting to the way they have become militant, but review point 4 above, they'll claim the same thing in that they are just reacting to being bullied. It is a never ending cycle unless someone takes the high road. We should be the ones taking the high road. This does NOT mean you have to give up your position but we can treat each individual with respect and be an example.  Reagan sure wouldn't have treated or talked about homosexuals the way we do. Sometimes I read FR and other sites and have a hard time distinguishing them from Westboro. (yes, it goes both ways, but we can only control ourselves, not others).

6. No pun intended, but we need to 'throw them a bone' politically. Not give up any of our positions, but counter the Democrat position. They want to make gay marriage legal, we should remind them that it isn't in their best interest for any government to keep lists of who is gay. That never turns out good. Throw them the bone of privacy from government lists and snooping. After all, the Democrat party is the party of Westboro Baptist and supporting Islamists. They aren't exactly a party to be trusted keeping lists of who is gay.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 11:45:33 AM »
Off topic, but there was a western series a while back, I think on Showtime or HBO, where the characters threw around the F bomb. But if I'm not mistaken the old west had different cursewords then the F word. Because I love the western genre that really bothered me.

The F bomb actually goes back pretty far. If the stories about it I read are true, it originated as a euphemism and 'scarlet letter' for the word fornication in the 1500s or 1600s. It was short for Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge or something like that. To a majority who were illiterate, fornication would be too high language so they just went with the euphemism.

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 11:57:16 AM »
The F bomb? It's Germanic. From Fokken, meaning to strike. Hence the euphemism "hit it"
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 11:57:32 AM »
Off topic, but there was a western series a while back, I think on Showtime or HBO, where the characters threw around the F bomb. But if I'm not mistaken the old west had different cursewords then the F word. Because I love the western genre that really bothered me.

I think it was called Deadwood?   :shrug:  It bothered me a lot too so I never watched it.  Surely, people in the old west didn't toss around the F bomb every 3rd word like that show depicted. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2014, 12:05:52 PM »
The F bomb? It's Germanic. From Fokken, meaning to strike. Hence the euphemism "hit it"

I thought fökken was from Olde Dutch, "to breed sheep"?  It's always been a favorite of mine though regardless of ancestry.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2014, 12:06:31 PM »
Thanks, Abraxas.

I guess I prefer television as an escape and don't really want excessive realism to intrude on it. Too much realism can be boring in film or TV unless it's a documentary.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2014, 12:15:01 PM »
For a ubiquitous word it is very hard to pin down!

The Oxford English Dictionary states that the ultimate etymology is uncertain, but that the word is "probably cognate" with a number of native Germanic words with meanings involving striking, rubbing, and having sex.

The word has probable cognates in other Germanic languages, such as German ficken (to bleep); Dutch fokken (to breed, to beget); dialectal Norwegian fukka (to copulate), and dialectal Swedish focka (to strike, to copulate) and fock (penis).[5] This points to a possible etymology where Common Germanic fuk– comes from an Indo-European root meaning "to strike", cognate with non-Germanic words such as Latin pugno "I fight" or pugnus "fist".[5] By application of Grimm's law, this hypothetical root has the form *pug–.

Yet another possible etymology is from the Old High German word pfluog, meaning "to plow, as in a field."

But no one knows. Unlike most words, it really doesn't have a consistent back story
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2014, 12:29:30 PM »
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Who doesn't remember the boy in your 4th grade (age 10) gym class that couldn't climb a rope?  Threw like a girl?  Gestured like a girl?  Sounded like a girl?
Yeah, um, that was me, and I turned out totally straight.

Anyway...

One of the major issues that isn't getting touched on is the campaign to convince people that homosexual, same-sex love is identical, the exact same, indistinguishable from the heterosexual love that men and women experience between each other. Of course, on its face, this is absurd. Men and women are inherently different in many ways other than anatomy. The dynamic between man and woman is one of the most important components of any heterosexual relationship, and it's one that is glaringly absent in same-sex ones. As the old phrase goes, "asking who is the man in a lesbian relationship is like asking which chopstick is the fork."

You may also recognize the old joke "What does a lesbian bring on a second date? A U-Haul." This plays on female stereotypes that because men are less likely to commit, a relationship with two women will supposedly become an attachment much faster. There seems to be a grain of truth to it, given what I have seen from a couple of lesbian relationships. It's also part of the reason why most same-sex photo-ops feature lesbians (the other is that these relationships often have more well-defined "butch and femme" roles and thus do not trigger the inherently repulsive reaction that two guys might).

I give Ms. Colon (and yes, aligncare, I find it amusing as well) credit for pointing out the most dangerous part of sodomy: the deadly diseases to which it subjects its participants. It is something the homosexual lobby doesn't dare discuss and is extremely eager to brush under the table. See, for instance, the big fight to cure AIDS, a disease still spread largely through sodomy, at least here in the United States. The lobby would love nothing more than to sever the link between their behavior and this scourge on society.

However, as long as the lobby continues to convince people that homosexual love is the same, when it is clearly not, we will continue to have both the masses and people in power (Anthony Kennedy, I'm looking at you) espouse the belief in this false equivalency.
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2014, 12:47:41 PM »
Retire the thread. It's all been said. Great post, JMF.
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