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IIRC, fentanyl is one of the most tightly controlled drugs that is available by prescription.

My former's boss' mom was on it near the end of her life (not cancer, severe, debilitating arthritis) and she was using the fentanyl patch.  The house cleaner accidentally threw out the entire package (which my boss found later in the trash, crushed and unusable, but none were missing), and he went through hell getting them to issue an emergency prescription to replace them.  He said he signed more forms for that then he would if he had been buying a machine gun.
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If the stuff is 100 times as potent as morphine, why mix it with heroin?  That doesn't make any sense. 

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My mother uses Fentanyl for her debilitating osteoarthritis. It doesn't have any psychotropic effect, except maybe to make her a little sleepy. Unfortunately, it barely makes a dent in her pain.

If you're going to be stupid enough to ingest heroin, you really shouldn't be surprised when the experience turns out to be less than pleasant. (Before I'm accused of being heartless, I'm not saying any of these people deserve to die, just saying it's kind of an "assumption of risk" thing, cf. Philip S. Hoffman).
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Did not read the entire thing. Could this be why bankers are dead?
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(Before I'm accused of being heartless, I'm not saying any of these people deserve to die, just saying it's kind of an "assumption of risk" thing, cf. Philip S. Hoffman).

Heard at lunch that Hoffman's death is being attributed to the mix.

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Heard at lunch that Hoffman's death is being attributed to the mix.

I attribute it to using an illegal substance .

Buying drugs from a drug dealer to inject into your bloodstream is sort of like juggling loaded handguns with the safety off.

Sooner or later the expected will happen, and the discussion about the caliber of the bullet thst went through your body will seem rather silly in retrospect.

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My mother uses Fentanyl for her debilitating osteoarthritis. It doesn't have any psychotropic effect, except maybe to make her a little sleepy. Unfortunately, it barely makes a dent in her pain.

If you're going to be stupid enough to ingest heroin, you really shouldn't be surprised when the experience turns out to be less than pleasant. (Before I'm accused of being heartless, I'm not saying any of these people deserve to die, just saying it's kind of an "assumption of risk" thing, cf. Philip S. Hoffman).

When I was under treatment for cancer I was prescribed fentanyl patches; 75 mg dispensed over 3 days.  On days we changed the patch, I didn't know which one of the Jones boys I was.  They weaned me off of fentanyl with diminishing doses of oxycontin and oxycodone, and weaned me off of that with diminishing doses of valium.  Fentanyl gas was what the Russians used a few years ago to end a terrorist hostage situation, by pumping a theater full of fentanyl gas in an effort to put everyone inside to sleep.  Unfortunately, everyone in the building died from the dosage.

Using heroin is bad enough but mixing it with fentanyl is suicide in the making.  When you mainline that mix directly into a vein the rush is so strong and so quick you end up like Hoffman, dead before you can even pull the needle out.  The only good news is that Mr. Hoffman's heroin addiction has been put to a speedy and permanent end.

I feel sorry for his kids.

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A significant of otherwise righteous, moral, law abiding people get addicted to pain medications.

I suppose if they weren't so stupid, or had more faith, they wouldn't have gotten injured or sick, had surgery, been medicated etc.
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Had a friend that died a couple of years ago from a heroin overdose.  He was a wonderfully big-hearted man that would give you the shirt off his back...but he had these demons. He tried so many times to kick his addiction over the years and for a time it seemed he finally had conquered it.  But it overcame him once again and he got some extremely potent stuff that ended up killing several people in town. 

No matter how much his friends and family loved him, he still had a void in his life that heroin filled, albeit temporarily.  Very sad. 
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A significant of otherwise righteous, moral, law abiding people get addicted to pain medications.

I suppose if they weren't so stupid, or had more faith, they wouldn't have gotten injured or sick, had surgery, been medicated etc.

When it comes to heroin, faith means dick.
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I attribute it to using an illegal substance .

Buying drugs from a drug dealer to inject into your bloodstream is sort of like juggling loaded handguns with the safety off.

Sooner or later the expected will happen, and the discussion about the caliber of the bullet thst went through your body will seem rather silly in retrospect.

It's thoroughly expected Luis, sooner or later.

Pick your poison, it's all the same.  A different color powder, a different color drink-there but by the Grace of God...

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Pithy.

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I suppose if they weren't so stupid, or had more faith, they wouldn't have gotten injured or sick, had surgery, been medicated etc.

Etc. as in... addicted to alcohol?   You say you're an active AA member--do you place any faith at all in a higher power? 

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Fentanyl gas was what the Russians used a few years ago to end a terrorist hostage situation, by pumping a theater full of fentanyl gas in an effort to put everyone inside to sleep.  Unfortunately, everyone in the building died from the dosage.

Not everyone.  All of the terrorists died, many were simply executed on site by the Russian troops.  140 of the hostages died, about 700 survived.  The error was they miscalculated the dosage and did not have enough of the antidote to give to those suffering adverse reactions.  If it had gone according to plan, the only dead would have been the terrorists.
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Etc. as in... addicted to alcohol?   You say you're an active AA member--do you place any faith at all in a higher power?

I read it as sarcasm.

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Not everyone.  All of the terrorists died, many were simply executed on site by the Russian troops.  140 of the hostages died, about 700 survived.  The error was they miscalculated the dosage and did not have enough of the antidote to give to those suffering adverse reactions.  If it had gone according to plan, the only dead would have been the terrorists.

Right you are and thanks for the clarification...the details have faded a bit...my point was that fentanyl is nothing to mess with....



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Etc. as in... addicted to alcohol?   You say you're an active AA member--do you place any faith at all in a higher power?
I am an active member of AA. I place very much faith in my Higher Power.
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Prescription drug additions are bad enough...and way too many are addicted to the class 3 drugs.... but NO ONE forces you to shoot up heroin or snort cocaine... that is a personal choice... a very bad personal choice.

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I said elsewhere I watched the making of Vacation on Bio last night. After this was over they had the making of Caddy Shack.... also interesting, but informative as well.  Seems the entire cast of Caddy Shack spent the majority of the movie shoot stoned, drunk or both.. most said they could barely remember the actual shooting of the movie. It was shortly after Caddy Shack wrapped that Belushi died of his over dose. According to Harold Ramis the Belushi death was a huge wake up call for him and quite a few other actors from Caddy Shack and it led to many of those actors getting their acts together drug-wise.

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Prescription drug additions are bad enough...and way too many are addicted to the class 3 drugs.... but NO ONE forces you to shoot up heroin or snort cocaine... that is a personal choice... a very bad personal choice.
So once people have been classified, condemned in a sense, what doe society do about it?

Doctor-shopping for multiple script for narcotic pain meds is just as illegal, just as bad a personal choice, as using heroin.

And it is done by people you would classify as different (probably inferior) from a street drug addict.

I have known priests and pastors, doctors, lawyers, school principals and teachers, nurses, airline pilots, cops, engineers just to name a few professions that unfortunately got themselves addicted to something.

Many have impressive stories of redemption.  The don't ask of expect anything from the "normies" which is jargon for non-addicts non-alcoholics.

Not asking for forgiveness, let alone admiration. But when somebody you are close is at the end of the line, don't be surprised if one of those people tries to help save one of your loved one's lives.

   
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My brother in law (husband's brother) was addicted to Vicodin. According to his doctor when my husband spoke to him his brother was taking 500 Vicodin a month.  We got him into rehab in Orange County (for the umpteenth time) and he called after two days and said he couldn't do it and was leaving  - and oh, by the way would we give him some money....  he needed surgery on his hips and the doctors would not operate because of his addiction.    So, yes I know a bit about this. I have a nephew who was in rehab multiple times and had a trip on LSD so bad it scared my sister out of her wits.  He "claims" he is off drugs - but then called pot his "medicine" and he drinks and he is his fathers son when he drinks - as in nasty!  And my grandfather was an alcoholic... he was selling off property like it was water for money for alcohol and my grandmother had to divorce him to preserve most of their ranch... so frankly I am 1000% anti drinking, anti pain pills and hard core drugs. 

Frankly I think we all make a decision to drink or do drugs or pretty much everything we do in our lives and I do not understand why people choose to escape from life - our lives are way too short to go through them stoned or drunk or both.

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Frankly I think we all make a decision to drink or do drugs or pretty much everything we do in our lives and I do not understand why people choose to escape from life - our lives are way too short to go through them stoned or drunk or both.

You know, I don't know. All I know is my story, which is a pretty standard and boring one.

Started drinking in pubs at 13. Under aged drinking is winked at in a lot of pubs, as long as you behave. There isn't much else to do in most of the small towns. Sure, at home I'd have the odd beer or glass of wine with Sunday dinner and with Mom and Dad's permission. It started getting out of hand a bit when I joined up. Nothing to do of an evening but drink and BS or pull night duty. Got even worse in University. I'd wake up Monday morning with no recollection of the weekend at all. So I toned it right down. Couple of beers of an evening, shot of whiskey before bed.
Then it changed. Found myself pouring a shot in the morning, to go with breakfast. Then two shots, which were breakfast. And I have no idea why. I was doing a rather stressful job I was good at, had a family that I love, a wife that loves me solid, despite the odd temper flare up on both are parts. There was, from the outside, no reason for me to need to drink. My mind begged to differ.
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Yeah, I thought so too.  I saw it embroidered on a tea cozy.

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