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Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 01:57:36 PM »
What a talent!  Tragic.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 01:59:22 PM »
Last week I happened to watch the one hour program on John Bellucci, his death and struggle with heroin abuse...a lot of info i had never heard before and quite sad, on ons level he wanted to quit, but heroin was more powerful than any desire... He even hired people to keep him from using all to no avail.. reminded me of the stories we read about George Jones and how the dealers became more powerful than the people working to get him clean... unfortunately heroin has made a huge resurgence in our country.

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 02:07:55 PM »
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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 03:06:12 PM »
Heroin is a real sod to kick, and, like the booze, the craving never really goes away and a lot of the damage is permanent.

Pity. He was a solid and talented actor.
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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 03:27:07 PM »
Found with the needle still in his arm...


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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 03:35:04 PM »
Janis Joplin died of heroin overdose. I saw a documentary, and it indicated she was in no way suicidal (beyond the normal insanity of drugs).

It was a simple mistake. User assumes the strength is as usual. It turns out it is way stronger.

Or putting it differently, it is not cut as much as normal.

For the recreational user of any mind altering substance, getting the dose right is tricky.

What if you tilted a mixed drink, and had no idea the usual one jigger of 80 proof would turn out to be ten jiggers worth?

These people that die of overdose just want to be high, not dead.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 03:39:01 PM »
These people that die of overdose just want to be high, not dead.

Back when I was drinking, I wanted the buzz because I felt dead inside.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 03:49:28 PM »
Back when I was drinking, I wanted the buzz because I felt dead inside.
Back when I was drinking, I just liked to be buzzed. The good feeling of just a few beers.

But as the years wore on, 3 beers became 6 beers, and 6 beers became 12 beers, etc.

It is said that alcoholics and addicts are always chasing that early euphoria of their first days of using. But it becomes more and more elusive, while the quantities often increase drastically.

I would not wish the enslavement to substances on anybody.



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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 04:14:30 PM »
Yep. Nice summation.

I know in my mind that there are people who can take one drink (or one snort, one shot, one joint) and leave it alone for months after that. I even accept that it is the majority of people.

Just don't understand it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 04:44:00 PM »
Guys.  Thank you for your comments.  I have alcohol abusers in the family and alcoholics.  Mrs. Lando's father died of numerous alcohol related health complications. 

Me, I am fortunate that I can have a couple of sociable drinks and then stop with no urge or desire to continue drinking.  Plus, I am very prone to hangovers.  Again, fortunate I guess.  I firmly believe in genetic predisposition to addiction.  When compounded by cultural influences, it is a killer.
For the progressive, there is very little to love about the United States. Washington, Jefferson, Madison? A bunch of rotten slaveholders, hypocrites, and cowards even when their hearts were in the right places. The Declaration of Independence? A manifesto for the propertied classes. The Constitution? An artifact of sexism and white supremacy. The sacrifices in the great wars of the 20th century? Feeding the poor and the disenfranchised into the meat-grinder of imperialism. The gifts of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Astor? Blood money from self-aggrandizing robber barons. Nat Rev

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 05:01:20 PM »
Addiction is an odd thing. There is certainly a genetic component to it. A wiring defect in the brain, if you like. Got no off switch for alcohol or some drugs or gaming or sex.

Other things seem to actively rewire your brain to need the hit. Heroin, Morphine, Opium and Nicotine are particularly well known for that.
Been lucky enough that the opiates don't bother me. Stick me on morphine for a couple of weeks and there is nary a withdrawal sign when I come off. I miss the dreams, but that's about it. Try to take my cigs away, I will rip your face off.
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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 05:18:07 PM »
Let us be clear that there is a great deal of difference between alcoholism and heroin addiction.  Alcoholics for life do not drink, whereas many if not most heroin addicts are treated with a substitute for the heroin, methadone being one.

There is an old HBO special available out there called "Methadonia". and I highly recommend it.  It shows how former heroin addicts are now methadone addicts and there really is no off ramp for this kind of addiction. 

One of the biggest growing drug problems in the US right now is a sharp spike in heroin deaths and heroin addiction.  Black tar heroin flows into this country from Mexico by the pound and is a cheap and ready substitute for Oxycontin addicts who can no longer get their pills as easily or as cheap.  My wife and I have friends whose 30 something son has been on a down spiral from oxy to heroin for a couple of years.  During his (short) court authorized visit with his 10 year old at Christmas, he ODd on heroin and ended up back in the hospital and headed for rehab again.

Oxy is a synthetic opioid and heroin works as a much cheaper substitute.  Problem is that quality control thing....you never quite know for sure how strong it is, and if you just got your hands on some purified powdered heroin, it may not have been stepped on quite as many times as anyone figured, so, you end up like Hoffman with a massive rush that is so intense you don't even have time to pull the spike.

It is a shame, but death by really good heroin is a rapidly growing problem that does not just affect Hollywood stars.
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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2014, 05:41:59 PM »
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It is a shame, but death by really good heroin is a rapidly growing problem that does not just affect Hollywood stars.

No it isn't. Just read our local scanner feed and you see how pervasive it is (that and meth)... it is one reason our local CBS news has been doing a weekly series re what they've uncovered on the Sinola Drug Cartel and this current DC Admin letting them bring their hard drugs into the USA unmolested) in return for dropping the dime to the feds on the lower level cartels... and don't forget a LOT of the worlds heroin is coming from Afghanistan and our government knows it!!!!!

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2014, 07:08:26 PM »
What a waste.  Every movie he was in, he made better.  Even Twister. 

One of my favorites was his role in Charlie Wilson's War.

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2014, 07:09:17 PM »
What a waste.  Every movie he was in, he made better.  Even Twister. 

One of my favorites was his role in Charlie Wilson's War.

You're right - he was great in both movies.

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2014, 07:13:51 PM »
Last week I happened to watch the one hour program on John Bellucci, his death and struggle with heroin abuse...a lot of info i had never heard before and quite sad, on ons level he wanted to quit, but heroin was more powerful than any desire... He even hired people to keep him from using all to no avail.. reminded me of the stories we read about George Jones and how the dealers became more powerful than the people working to get him clean... unfortunately heroin has made a huge resurgence in our country.

Belushi was absolutely powerless to the pull of drugs.  I have never heard of anyone who was as enslaved by the pull of drugs as he was. 

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2014, 07:20:20 PM »
Belushi was absolutely powerless to the pull of drugs.  I have never heard of anyone who was as enslaved by the pull of drugs as he was.

The Bio expose was very sad.  Dan Aykroyd talked about how he did want to get clean but was powerless to do so.  How they hired guards to keep the drug dealers away from him and he would still find a way to sneak out... said when he knew Belushi was dead he literally ran out the door of his home all the way to John's home to tell his wife before she would hear it on the news.  He said when John was clean he looked and felt great, but it wasn't enough to stop his return when he had a chance.

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Re: Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after apparent drug overdose: cops
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2014, 07:29:39 PM »
Robert Downy Jr., is thinking....."There, but for the Grace of God, go I"!

Hoffman was the best as the star...and also supporting roles.  It's a terrible loss.
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