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Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
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Re: Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 06:06:42 PM »
Farmers are some of the biggest welfare queens.

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Re: Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 06:26:33 PM »
Farmers are some of the biggest welfare queens.

You've never been a farmer, have you.

Want them not to need subsidy? Pay two dollars for your burger instead of one. How much are eggs worth to you? Not the 3 cent profit per half dozen the farmer gets. Buy a pork loin? The guy who raised it gets maybe 5 cents from that, when all his costs are factored in.

Salads? You eat healthy sometimes. It's a delicate crop and a single hard rain can wipe it out completely.

There is a choice in farming. Stay small and rely on locals to buy your produce, or go big and cut a deal with large businesses, who have you over the proverbial barrel and who don't bother with lube when they bend you over. They set the prices. You are responsible for delivering at the price they set.
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Re: Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 06:38:49 PM »
You've never been a farmer, have you.

Want them not to need subsidy? Pay two dollars for your burger instead of one. How much are eggs worth to you? Not the 3 cent profit per half dozen the farmer gets. Buy a pork loin? The guy who raised it gets maybe 5 cents from that, when all his costs are factored in.

Salads? You eat healthy sometimes. It's a delicate crop and a single hard rain can wipe it out completely.

There is a choice in farming. Stay small and rely on locals to buy your produce, or go big and cut a deal with large businesses, who have you over the proverbial barrel and who don't bother with lube when they bend you over. They set the prices. You are responsible for delivering at the price they set.

The big-business-will-screw-you meme doesn't withstand any real scrutiny.  I remember when an IBM PC luggable, with 640k of memory, one 5-1/4" disk drive, and a processor with a clock speed that could be measured in hamster-rpms cost US $1,700, back when that was real money ($1,700 in 1986 dollars, which is the comparison I'm using, is approximately $3,500 in 2012 dollars, and so is probably about $3,550 in 2014 dollars).  The last computer I purchased, way back in 2009, cost me $1,200 (which would be about $650 in 1986 dollars), has a clock speed measured in gigaherz, came with 6GB of RAM, with room for more, a 500GB hard drive with an open slot for a second drive, an optical drive, and network connections that were nonexistent in 1986.

And all of that comes from an industry that is basically dominated by two CPU manufacturers and a number of other large foundries for a lot of the other chips and processing units - the CPU, of course, is the crucial component in this case.

So, we have an industry that produces a product that is considered a necessity - is a necessity for almost every business these days - and that is dominated by two big business entities - in fact, only big business can enter this industry given the immense start up costs (even retooling the factories to change to new cpu production can cost hundreds of millions of dollars), and yet the price to performance ratio has dropped massively.

If your meme had any validity, we'd still be paying prices that were at least comparable to 1986 prices, if not higher.

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Re: Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 07:29:15 PM »
It's not exactly a meme - I have lived it.

Your analogy is inapt. You can get by with a 10 year old computer. It works slower, but how fast do you actually need it to be? Ten year old food, no so much.

Now if we wander off into the ethanol subsidies or soil banking, you get my wholehearted agreement. But when you are talking about one of the four basic necessities of life, it's wise to pay the producer of it a fair price.

Should the taxpayer subsidize farmers? No, because it simply should not be needed. They work like hell to raise stuff to keep you alive. Yet many years they lose money on the crop, because people simply will not pay what it is actually worth. It's why more and more farms are quietly shutting their gates and sticking to local and subsistence level stuff. Minimal transport costs, they set their own prices and eat well.

You are stuck in the city. A bit of your tax money going to the farmers? Or starve, because the people around you want something that cost a buck fifty to raise for 99 cents. There is only one rational choice.
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Re: Congress wants you to pay for farmers' high-speed internet
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2014, 08:44:52 PM »
Urban/suburban folks subsidize rural folks for telephones, television, roads, postal services, not to mention crops when grown, and when not grown.

Why not internet, too?

They will threaten an explosion of food prices, if the subsidies were removed. Wow, we've had just such an explosion.

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