GOP immigration principles support legalization

[Formerly Once-Ler]

While you're fawning over his logic, ask him what city crime rates have to do with amnesty.

I know why he mentioned crime rates.  It is not my job to educate you.

[Lipstick on a Hillary]

Why am I not surprised?   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Why am I not surprised?   

synaptic resistance.

[truth_seeker]

Big difference between this and Mexicans sneaking across our border to have a anchor baby and collect welfare benefits and work as servant for cash under the table.

I heard his full story for the first time when his son in law spoke at his memorial service. It was about the man's pride to be an American, who did it the legal way.

Back in Italy he was not from a privileged family, but rather was the eldest and only male of three children who's parents died young. the three were raised by relatives.

His younger sister, my mother in law came to America for marriage. He came to visit her, met a young Italian woman studying medicine. They married, and lived above a liquor store while she finished school, internship and residency, and he worked.

Although he had studied law in Italy, it would be like starting over in the US, and he needed to work so his wife could complete her medical training. He later became a real estate broker, to manage investments possible because of her income. When she became chief of anesthesiology at a Palm Springs hospital, they bought the desert home of Natalia Woods,  Robert Wagner.

They were very good to us. The sister that stayed in Italy married a veterinarian, had four boys, and the cousins from here keep in touch using Facebook. 
 

[truth_seeker]

Big difference between this and Mexicans sneaking across our border to have a anchor baby and collect welfare benefits and work as servant for cash under the table.

Or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Filipinos, or Russians, or Canadians.

The prosperity of America and western democracies in Europe, Canada, Australia are likewise magnets for immigration, legal and illegal.

My most recent immigrant ancestor came in 1871, before Ellis Island. I have no knowledge of the laws of the time, his "legality," etc. He was a scoundrel, though, of the "dumb swede" variety.

[Rapunzel]

The Chinese were brought here to work on the railroads... one thing about the Chinese they are industrious people. When we were in Tahiti it was very interesting, on the outer islands the stores are all run by Chinese - while the Tahitians are very - very -  laid back and not very industrious.  The Chinese were originally brought to Tahiti in 1865 and 1866 to work what (used to be) a huge cotton field...  when the plantation work went away the Chinese learned trades... some left the Islands to return to China and never were able to assimilate back into the Chinese culture and returned to Polynesia.

Today it is extremely difficult for outsiders to spend any length of time in the islands, they tract their immigrants carefully - even the prolific boating community who love to travel there are tracked from island to island and have to check out by a certain date.
 
Here is some of their rules

It is difficult to get a work visa in French Polynesia. They let some French people work there, but it is difficult even for other EU members.

In any case, you must have a job lined up and a job contract before you can apply for a work visa in French Polynesia. Your employer must then forward a copy of your job contract to the Immigration Office in Nouméa or Papeete. Once a work permit is granted through this, you can apply for a work visa through a French embassy.

To apply for a work visa, you must submit the following:

1.       2 application forms, signed and completed

2.       2 recent passport photos

3.       Valid passport and two copies

4.       Original work permit granted by the local work department, and a copy

5.       Travel insurance

6.       Flight itinerary

7.       Pre-paid devices to mail back your passport

8.       Fees

It takes about 10 business days to process this application.
Student Visa

If you wish to study in French Polynesia for over 90 days, you are required to get a student short-stay visa. It has to be specifically for French Polynesia, not for France or for any of the other overseas territories.

You must submit the following documents to a French embassy:

1.       Passport and copy

2.       One application form

3.       Two passport photos

4.       Letter of acceptance from your school, confirmation of enrollment

5.       Proof of funds (last 2 bank statements)

6.       Travel itinerary

7.       Proof of medical insurance

8.       Proof of accommodation

9.       Pre-paid devices to mail back your passport

10.   Fees

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No one is as easy on immigrants as the USA........

[aligncare]

Teddy Roosevelt:

Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.

In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile.

We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, and American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding house; and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.

[MBB1984]

The primary problem with illegal immigration and even our legal immigration process is that it is not good for America.  The immigration process should be a positive benefit for America and all of its citizens.  Therefore, the immigration process should assist educated or wealthy individuals to our country, as that is good for America.

Instead, the legal and illegal immigration system we have permits millions of low income, uneducated peoples to enter, most often from inferior cultures, cultures that do not share traditional American values of honesty, education, law, or Christian civilization.  Since America is now a welfare state, this immigration system is a prescription for disaster.  While many may come to America to work, it is too easy now to for these individuals or their progeny to join the welfare class.  To this end, the system benefits certain businesses and the democrat party.  It benefits the immigrants.  But, overall, it is a plague on the rest of America.         

[Bigun]

Or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Filipinos, or Russians, or Canadians.

The prosperity of America and western democracies in Europe, Canada, Australia are likewise magnets for immigration, legal and illegal.

My most recent immigrant ancestor came in 1871, before Ellis Island. I have no knowledge of the laws of the time, his "legality," etc. He was a scoundrel, though, of the "dumb swede" variety.

Prior to that great year 1913 (the year in which we got the federal reserve, direct election of U.S. senators,  and the income tax) anyone who wanted to could get on a boat and come here. They we welcomed to come and make it in the land of opportunity but got nothing from the state to aid them in their efforts beyond that blessing! That's the difference!

[aligncare]

Prior to that great year 1913 (the year in which we got the federal reserve, direct election of U.S. senators,  and the income tax) anyone who wanted to could get on a boat and come here. They we welcomed to come and make it in the land of opportunity but got nothing from the state to aid them in their efforts beyond that blessing! That's the difference!

We've progressed. There is a new enlightenment in America. The inscription on the Statue of Liberty should be edited to read, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to collect free government benefits ..."

[Rapunzel]

Bigun and Ac... 

[Rapunzel]

The primary problem with illegal immigration and even our legal immigration process is that it is not good for America.  The immigration process should be a positive benefit for America and all of its citizens.  Therefore, the immigration process should assist educated or wealthy individuals to our country, as that is good for America.

Instead, the legal and illegal immigration system we have permits millions of low income, uneducated peoples to enter, most often from inferior cultures, cultures that do not share traditional American values of honesty, education, law, or Christian civilization.  Since America is now a welfare state, this immigration system is a prescription for disaster.  While many may come to America to work, it is too easy now to for these individuals or their progeny to join the welfare class.  To this end, the system benefits certain businesses and the democrat party.  It benefits the immigrants.  But, overall, it is a plague on the rest of America.         

Right at the heart of the issue... we are not anti immigrants, just want people who cone here to add to our society, not take from it.

[Bigun]

Right at the heart of the issue... we are not anti immigrants, just want people who cone here to add to our society, not take from it.

Not a big fan of Teddy but he did get this right!

“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.”

 Theodore Roosevelt October 12, 1915

[Fishrrman]

Perhaps it's time to END immigration for a while -- ALL of it.

Time to hang out the "no vacancy" sign for a while, and let those here be assimilated, if that's even possible any more.

This place is full up for now. We don't need any more. Not even the legal ones.

[Rapunzel]

Perhaps it's time to END immigration for a while -- ALL of it.

Time to hang out the "no vacancy" sign for a while, and let those here be assimilated, if that's even possible any more.

This place is full up for now. We don't need any more. Not even the legal ones.

Until we get a handle on who is here, I agree, Especially since we are sending way too many jobs offshore these days, which is contributing to our massive unemployment rate.

[Luis Gonzalez]

We've progressed. There is a new enlightenment in America. The inscription on the Statue of Liberty should be edited to read, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to collect free government benefits ..."

One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.

[Rapunzel]

One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.

The two go hand in glove.

[Oceander]

One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.

I'm not so sure about that; how many poor peasants in Mexico sit around discussing whether they should pay thousands to a coyote to get them across the Rio Grande, just so they can start collecting welfare benefits in Illinois?

Do many of them get trapped in that system, and end up living off the entitlement system?  Probably.  Do they come here for that in the first place?  Probably not.

[Rapunzel]

I'm not so sure about that; how many poor peasants in Mexico sit around discussing whether they should pay thousands to a coyote to get them across the Rio Grande, just so they can start collecting welfare benefits in Illinois?

Do many of them get trapped in that system, and end up living off the entitlement system?  Probably.  Do they come here for that in the first place?  Probably not.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/senator-says-food-stamp-partnership-with-mexico-pressuring-immigrants-to-enroll/

Senator says food stamp partnership with Mexico 'pressuring' immigrants to enroll
Published July 19, 2012
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The Mexican government has been distributing information about the U.S. food stamp program through its embassy and dozens of consular offices, a partnership that one Republican senator says is the latest example of an "aggressive" push to "expand enrollment regardless of need."

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, raised concerns about the program in a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack -- one week after he complained about a Spanish-language ad campaign encouraging residents to go on food stamps.

The USDA ended the campaign following criticism, but Sessions warned in his letter that the U.S.-Mexico partnership is a symptom of the same approach.

His concern -- that Mexican immigrants are being guided toward government assistance instead of "gainful employment."

"It has become increasingly clear that the mission of the food stamp program has moved from targeted welfare assistance for those in need into an aggressive drive to expand enrollment regardless of need," he wrote.

Both the Spanish-language ad campaign and the U.S.-Mexico partnership were launched under the George W. Bush administration. The partnership dates back to 2004 -- it was signed between then-Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and Mexico's foreign affairs secretary at the time. The USDA says on its website that it is meant to "educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance." To do that, Mexico distributes materials through its embassy and 50 consular offices.

The USDA stressed Thursday that consulates "within the United States" distribute the information about eligibility criteria, as some Mexican Americans and Mexican nationals might not know that information.

"Congress has directed USDA to perform outreach to eligible populations who may be in need of nutrition assistance to help reduce hunger in America," the department said in a statement Thursday. "To that end, the partnership with the Mexican embassy was established in 2004. USDA does not perform outreach to immigrants that are undocumented, and therefore not eligible for (the program)."

The USDA has made a special effort to target Hispanic families. According to the USDA, Hispanic households represent more than a quarter of eligible residents who don't enroll in the food stamp program.

Still, roughly 46 million people in America are on food stamps -- known officially as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- and Sessions has argued that the government should not be pressuring more people to enroll.

In his letter, he claimed the USDA has not responded to earlier requests for information about the U.S.-Mexico partnership and asked for a response "without delay." He asked whether the Mexican government was distributing materials on the U.S. program in its own borders, and asked for copies of the literature.

"It is a sound principle of immigration policy that those who come to America be able to take care of themselves financially," he wrote. "This 'partnership' and related consulate activity appears to assume that principle is no longer in effect."

He said the "compassionate policy" would be to help move people "from welfare to gainful employment" rather than "pressuring" them onto food stamps.

Sessions earlier raised this concern after reviewing a USDA radio ad miniseries called "Hope Park." In it, the characters were shown persistently trying to convince a character named "Diana" to go on food stamps even though her husband works and she doesn't think she needs it.

The USDA, though, ended the ads.

"The American people support helping those in need, but they want to know their tax dollars are being spent wisely. Many of the PSAs and ads on the agency's website were posted nearly four years ago and some of the content in these advertisements does not meet the standards of what I consider to be appropriate outreach," Kevin Concannon, USDA undersecretary for Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, said in a statement last week. "To that end, I have instructed the agency to remove these materials from our website and to cease future production of advertisements. These funds could be better invested in improving our oversight of this critically important program and that is exactly what I intend to do moving forward."

The department stresses that illegal immigrants still are not eligible to receive SNAP benefits. Sessions, though, noted a regulation that allows illegal immigrants to obtain the benefits not for themselves, but other "eligible" members of their household.

[Rapunzel]

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/07/10985-u-s-government-teams-up-with-mexico-to-push-food-stamps/

 Obama Teams Up With Mexican Government to Push Food Stamps
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Kyle Becker | On 19, Jul 2012

A stunning report from the Daily Caller reveals that the Obama administration has signed a deal with the Mexican government to promote the use of food stamps. The U.S. Department of Agriculture program would “promote the use of food stamps among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America,” according to the report.

The Congressional Budget Office reports that food stamps are up 70% under the Democrat-run government. Food stamp use is already at all-time highs in a jobless recession that has seen 41 straight months of unemployment over 8%. Nearly one in five households use the program, while red ink for government spending already runs over $42,000 for each household per year.

The initiative recalls the USDA being recently caught by the Daily Caller running food stamp promotions on Spanish language soap operas. The USDA was later compelled to retract the ads.

But the strange American welfare program placement has prompted questions by lawmakers, and most prominently, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, who has launched an investigation into the USDA’s cross-border food stamp promotion program, which was launched in 2004. The implications of more lax border and identification enforcement under the Obama administration are raising eyebrows among some GOP lawmakers, who are able to see the dangerous implications of open borders and welfare state economics.

The food stamp program was initiated in 1969 with the goal of helping the poorest fraction of the country pay their grocery bills. According to Americans for Tax Reform, in its first year less than three million people received monthly food stamp benefits of $6.63. By 1981, more than twenty-two million citizens were on the welfare program receiving $39.49 each month. Under the Obama administration, about 60 million Americans are receiving an average $277 in monthly benefits.

And the Obama administration wants to see that number go up. The reason is simple: the more voters the president can get dependent on the Democrat Party and government largesse, the more secure his political fortunes and the party’s power base will be.

The Mexican-American voter demographic has clearly been in the administration’s sites this year. The president would love to boost Mexican-American voter levels up to the ninety-percent-and-above Democrat Party brand loyalty that one routinely witnesses for the black community. Black voter loyalty to the Democrats remain markedly strong, despite black unemployment of 14.4% and black teen unemployment of nearly 40%. Hispanic and Latino unemployment is currently at 11%.

The Obama administration suing Arizona and gutting most of the state’s tighter immigration laws via the Supreme Court is apparently just the beginning. Clearly, the Democrat Party cannot allow a minority group to even split its votes for the Republican Party, which is a danger due to the Romney campaign’s potential selection of Florida Senator Marco Rubio.

But the costs for the American public of the Democrat’s electioneering is becoming too much to bear, while the party doesn’t seem to care. The debt obligations for the productive class is already into the several trillions with no end in sight.  The economy is scheduled to implode around 2027, due mostly to public debt and interest payments on the debt, according to the CBO. And where will the immigrants of the world hoping for a part of the American Dream go then?

[Rapunzel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt4jbUa3qao

[Rapunzel]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens
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Documents Reveal that Mexican Government Encourages Maximum Participation in U.S.-Funded Program

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released documents detailing how the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working with the Mexican government to promote participation by illegal aliens in the U.S. food stamp program.

The promotion of the food stamp program, now known as “SNAP” (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), includes a Spanish-language flyer provided to the Mexican Embassy by the USDA with a statement advising Mexicans in the U.S. that they do not need to declare their immigration status in order to receive financial assistance.  Emphasized in bold and underlined, the statement reads, “You need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”

The documents came in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request made to USDA on July 20, 2012.  The FOIA request sought: “Any and all records of communication relating to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals, and migrant communities, including but not limited to, communications with the Mexican government.”

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch show that USDA officials are working closely with their counterparts at the Mexican Embassy to widely broaden the SNAP program in the Mexican immigrant community, with no effort to restrict aid to, identify, or apprehend illegal immigrants who may be on the food stamp rolls. In an email to Borjon Lopez-Coterilla and Jose Vincente of the Mexican Embassy, dated January 26, 2012, Yibo Wood of the USDA Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) sympathized with the plight of illegal aliens applying for food stamps, saying, “FNS understands that mixed status households may be particularly vulnerable.  Many of these households contain a non-citizen parent and a citizen child.”

The email from Wood to Lopez-Coterilla and Vincente came in response to a request from the Mexican Embassy that the USDA FNS step in to prevent the state of Kansas from changing its food stamp policy to restrict the amount of financial assistance provided to illegal aliens.  In a January 22, 2012, article, the Kansas City Star had revealed that the state would no longer include illegal aliens in its calculations of the amount of assistance to be provided low-income Hispanic families in order to prevent discrimination against legal recipients.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in August 2012, include the following:

    March 30, 2012 – The USDA seeks approval of the Mexican Embassy in drafting a letter addressed to consulates throughout the United States designed to encourage Mexican embassy staffers to enroll in a webinar learn how to promote increased enrollment among “the needy families that the consulates serve.”

    August 1, 2011 – The USDA FNS initiates contact with the Mexican Embassy in New York to implement programs already underway in DC and Philadelphia for maximizing participation among Mexican citizens. The Mexican Embassy responds that the Consul General is eager to strengthen his ties to the USDA, with specific interest in promoting the food stamp program.

    February 25, 2011 – The USDA and the Mexican Consulate exchange ideas about getting the First Ladies of Mexico and United States to visit a school for purposes of creating a photo opportunity that would promote free school lunches for low-income students in a predominantly Hispanic school. Though a notation in the margin of the email claims that the photo op never took place, UPI reported that it actually did.

    March 3, 2010 – A flyer advertises a webinar to teach Hispanic-focused nonprofits how to get reimbursed by the USDA for serving free lunch over the summer. The course, funded by American taxpayers, is advertised as being “free for all participants.”

    February 9 , 2010 – USDA informs the Mexican Embassy that, based on an agreement reached between the State Department and the Immigration & Naturalization Service (now ICE), the Women, Infants & Children (WIC) food voucher program does not violate immigration laws prohibiting immigrants from becoming a “public charge.”

As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”

In 2012, Judicial Watch reported that in a letter to USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions questioned the Obama administration’s partnership with Mexican consulates to encourage foreign nationals, migrant workers and non-citizen immigrants to apply for food stamps and other USDA administered welfare benefits. Sessions wrote, “It defies rational thinking, for the United States – now dangerously $16 trillion in debt – to partner with foreign governments to help us place more foreign nationals on American welfare and it is contrary to good immigration policy in the United States.”

“The revelation that the USDA is actively working with the Mexican government to promote food stamps for illegal aliens should have a direct impact on the fate of the immigration bill now being debated in Congress,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These disclosures further confirm the fact that the Obama administration cannot be trusted to protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws. And the coordination with a foreign government to attack the policies of an American state is contemptible.”

To view all the documents, click here.

[aligncare]

That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

[Rapunzel]

That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!! 

[Bigun]

That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

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