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Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« on: January 29, 2014, 12:29:07 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/196815-ryan-legal-status-wont-be-automatic

January 29, 2014, 10:26 am
Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'

By Mario Trujillo

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) confirmed on Wednesday that the House GOP’s principles on immigration reform would endorse giving legal status to undocumented immigrants.

Ryan reiterated there would be no “special” pathway to citizenship for those immigrants, but said they would be able to apply for a green card after a long set of requirement were met. He did not, however, provide a timeline.

The former vice presidential candidate said the principles would also outline a probationary work status those illegal immigrants would be initially defined under until the border is secure and a host of other requirements are satisfied.

“That is the kind of broad brush here — that is the kind of process we envision that is not a special pathway to citizenship, and it is not automatically, in anyway, giving an undocumented immigrant citizenship,” he said on MSNBC.

Ryan said the principles would also make sure the GOP writes in triggers for border and interior enforcement that cannot be side-stepped by President Obama.

“That is a big concern of ours these days,” he said. “As you can tell we have reason to be concerned. So we want to make sure that we write a law that he can’t avoid. “

Ryan said the principles would outline a bill that would allow immigrants living in the country illegally to “come out of the shadows” to receive a probationary work permit.

To get out of the probationary status and receive a regular work permit, triggers for border security and interior enforcement would have to be met and independently verified.

Those immigrants would also have to pay a fine, learn English and civics, and prove that they are not on welfare.

At that point, those workers would be able to apply for a green card for permanent residency through regular procedures.

“And if you want to get in line to get a green card like every other immigrant, you can do that,” he said. “You just have to get at the back of the line. So that we preference that legal immigrant that did things right in the first place.”

When asked how long it would take to eventually gain citizenship or if the plan would ever allow it, Paul said it is too early in the process to answer the question.

“This isn’t even in legislative form yet, so I don’t know the answer to your question,” he said. “The Speaker is working on drafting principles that resemble what I just said, and we are going to have a big debate about these principles and about how to proceed so it is a little premature to get into those details.”

Immigration reform is expected to be a key topic during the House GOP retreat in Maryland this week.

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Re: Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 12:53:34 PM »
LIAR!!!   Hey Ryan how does it feel to give illegals more than you give our military and veterans you pyle??????  8888madkitty


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Re: Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 01:09:05 PM »
Paul Ryan, doing the work that the democrats don't have to do.

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Re: Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 10:21:15 PM »
[[ Paul Ryan, doing the work that the democrats don't have to do. ]]

Ain't it amazin' that this guy almost got elected to be vice president?

Guys like this are the future leaders towards whom we can look to restore American exceptionalism?

With Republicans like this, who needs enemies?

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Re: Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 10:51:22 PM »
[[ Paul Ryan, doing the work that the democrats don't have to do. ]]

Ain't it amazin' that this guy almost got elected to be vice president?

Guys like this are the future leaders towards whom we can look to restore American exceptionalism?

With Republicans like this, who needs enemies?

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Re: Ryan: Legal status won't be 'automatic'
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 12:36:57 AM »
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/29/paul-ryan-under-our-plan-illegals-will-have-probationary-legal-status-while-the-border-is-being-secured/

Paul Ryan: Under our plan, illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured
posted at 3:21 pm on January 29, 2014 by Allahpundit

We’re still waiting for Boehner and the House leadership to release their new “principles” on immigration, but I think this tells us most of what we need to know.

Pay close attention at around 1:40 of the clip. Lefty Greg Sargent thinks it’s significant. I agree.

   
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Ryan confirms GOP “principles” will include legal status for the 11 million, but he also says this will be a ”probationary status” to make sure the 11 million will not be “preferenced over people who did follow the laws.” It’s important to have confirmation that there will be a way out of the shadows. But the probationary period idea is problematic. Details will matter, but it would probably allow for people to get the right to work up front, but they could be kicked off of probationary status if certain security benchmarks aren’t met.

    Advocates see this as bad policy: Why would undocumenteds step forward, if they know they can lose work status and get deported later because of nothing that they did, but only because Washington failed to decide certain metrics had been fulfilled?

    However, Ryan also says the undocumented will be allowed to work as part of “probationary” status before security benchmarks are met. “You can be on probation,” Ryan says, “while the border is being secured.”


Solution: No one comes out of the shadows until the border’s secured. The status quo on legalization holds in the meantime. There’s no rational reason why a country needs to make concessions to illegals before, or concurrent with, strengthening its borders, just as there’s no rational reason to think the GOP would use the security trigger to delay legalization ad infinitum. Everyone understands the demographic realities of the last election. Everyone knows how eager the Republican establishment is to attract Latino voters. And everyone knows how gleefully Democrats will demagogue them for dragging their feet on legalization while the border saga is playing out. Left to their own devices, Republicans would legalize illegals sooner rather than later. There’s no similar reason to believe that Democrats, left to their own devices, would eventually get around to tackling the border once legalization happened.

But I digress. “Probationary” legalization while security improvements are being made is the same nonsense in the Gang of Eight proposal, and it’s unacceptable for the same reason. Namely, in reality, there’ll be nothing probationary about it. Once “probation” is granted and illegals gain a temporary right to stay in the U.S., Congress will never muster the will to rescind that right even if the new border security efforts fall apart (or, more likely, if Obama simply refuses to carry them out). It’ll be like any other entitlement — once it’s in effect, congressional cowardice at upsetting people’s expectations will ensure that it’s with us forever. If you think the left’s immigration demagoguery is bad now, imagine what it’d be like in the summer of 2016, with border enforcement going nowhere and some Republicans in Congress whispering about canceling the conditional “probation” that was granted to illegals as a result. It’ll never happen. “Probationary” legalization is permanent legalization, period, which is why it can’t be granted until after the border’s been measurably improved. And the left will never agree to that because they don’t want the border improved; how will there be another new influx of Democratic voters over the next 20 years if the border becomes too solid to breach? They want the people here now legalized without any hard conditions and they also want to make sure that there’s not so much pressure on DHS to upgrade security that the 2045 amnesty will have to be canceled. Sounds like Boehner and Paul Ryan are going to make their dream come true.

Sargent’s also right about the path to citizenship here. Ryan mentions that there won’t be a “special” path, but near the end he imagines legalized illegals being able to apply for green cards eventually through currently existing channels, the penultimate step to citizenship. You already knew the leadership was leaning this way, but now here’s the proof. Everyone excited?
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves.” G Washington July 2, 1776


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