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What examples exist today, of "death panels" in the US?

My Mother in law, who is 86, must be one of the largest consumers of government paid Medicare medical resources, period.

She has diabetes, neuropathy, weakened heart, deafness, cancers, to list a few. Broke a foot a few months ago.

Not a single treatment, procedure, medication, test, specialist, ambulance, has been withheld.
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What examples exist today, of "death panels" in the US?

My Mother in law, who is 86, must be one of the largest consumers of government paid Medicare medical resources, period.

She has diabetes, neuropathy, weakened heart, deafness, cancers, to list a few. Broke a foot a few months ago.

Not a single treatment, procedure, medication, test, specialist, ambulance, has been withheld.
So far.... I've read several articles on Obamacare that said the less hospitals spent on seniors, the more money they would get.
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So far.... I've read several articles on Obamacare that said the less hospitals spent on seniors, the more money they would get.
It would be worthwhile if you could share those articles.
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It would be worthwhile if you could share those articles.

CMS (that is medicare/medicaid) passed a ruling last year which tracks patients going in and out of the hospital and they are dinging hospitals financially based on the number of patients being re-admitted within a certain period of time.  This does not mean patients are going to be turned away, this does mean hospitals are not going the be long term financially sustainable with a large elderly population in this country and elderly patients having frequent re-admissions (many times from skilled nursing facilities who send their elderly to the hospital at the first sign of anything because they don't want the legal liability.  There is also a movement afoot to pay doctors only on patient outcome - which is a big problem if you have the least idea of how many patients are totally non-compliant with medical care and refuse to stop drinking, smoking, refuse to exercise or diet.  Doctors should not be held personally responsible for the outcome of treatment on these patients but this is exactly what CMS is pushing - and pushing hard.

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Thank you, Rap.

Seems a tiny bit short sighted to me. Dad went in to have one of his eyes done. He was home for a day before he fell and broke his arm (silly old sod forgot he had no depth perception and tried to head downstairs in the dark). Two different things, and the hospital would be dinged for it?

I will say one thing about the NHS. My Mom developed breast cancer. She was booked in for a biopsy the same day her Doc found the lump, and a week later she had the operation. 6 chemo treatments, all organized smoothly and with no fuss and now - 5 years later - she is cancer free and enjoying life. A little too much sometimes. If I ride up on the bike she'll grab my helmet and take it for a spin. She's 80  :laugh:

But - they live outside a small city with a very respected hospital. Their doctor isn't just a GP, she is also a surgeon in the same hospital, as well as a long time family friend. Not everyone is that lucky.
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What examples exist today, of "death panels" in the US?

My Mother in law, who is 86, must be one of the largest consumers of government paid Medicare medical resources, period.

She has diabetes, neuropathy, weakened heart, deafness, cancers, to list a few. Broke a foot a few months ago.

Not a single treatment, procedure, medication, test, specialist, ambulance, has been withheld.

What are you, high?   Obamacare has been in effect in the US for what?  3-4 weeks?   

Why are you citing something that took place months ago?

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Actually we do have a good example.  Remember the little cystic fibrosis girl who needed a lung transplant and because of her age Kathleen Sibelius had to sign off on it and she said nope...  so far she has said no twice and both had to sue for the surgery.  The little girl was on verge of death and today is home and in good shape thanks to the court ruling in her favor, the little boy died waiting for a lung.

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What examples exist today, of "death panels" in the US?

My Mother in law, who is 86, must be one of the largest consumers of government paid Medicare medical resources, period.

She has diabetes, neuropathy, weakened heart, deafness, cancers, to list a few. Broke a foot a few months ago.

Not a single treatment, procedure, medication, test, specialist, ambulance, has been withheld.

Since the full weight of Obastard care hasn't been imposed yet, it's not likely that the democrats' death panels have been fully deployed as of yet.

Your mother is also mere anecdote, not proof one way or the other, just as Les Scaife is - a squeaky wheel who gets the grease.

A further reason is that many places that provide care to the elderly are privately owned but have figured out how to scam the medicare system to arbitrage the inefficiencies created by government distortion of the marketplace for such services.  Providing a large quantity of services yields a large profit, even if the margin on each service is minimal; the profit gets even better when one realizes that many services - maybe not to your mother, but certainly to others - are provided in a minimally competent way by people who really aren't suitably trained for the task.

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Before Obamacare an elderly person who was unable to care for his or herself were sent to a nursing home for care, therapy, etc.  Medicare paid for 90 days at which point they were either released or went on medicaid to cover the cost of hospitalization.  If a person was nearing end of life they could stay in their home and hospice would come in to medicate, bathe, etc... at a huge cost SAVINGS vs being in a hospital..  Now under OCare as soon as an elderly patient in a nursing home is deemed "not progressing in their treatment" Medicare kicks them out... doesn't matter if they have someone to care for them, they either have long term care insurance or they are SOL...   oh and hospice - fugetaboutit... O-Care cut the hell out of hospice.


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