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« on: January 25, 2014, 12:07:45 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2014, 03:08:15 AM »
The Los Angeles Police Department has a  Cadillac Gage Commando is a 4x4 amphibious armored car built by the American firm Cadillac Gage. In place of a turret, they have placed a battering ram at the end of it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2014, 06:50:15 AM »
The Los Angeles Police Department has a  Cadillac Gage Commando is a 4x4 amphibious armored car built by the American firm Cadillac Gage. In place of a turret, they have placed a battering ram at the end of it.

Handy in no go areas and for making an abrupt entrance to a fortified dwelling.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 08:47:32 AM »
Handy in no go areas and for making an abrupt entrance to a fortified dwelling.

Like a tea party headquarters, a right to life headquarters, a conservative's house? :whistle:
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 08:58:27 AM »
Like a tea party headquarters, a right to life headquarters, a conservative's house? :whistle:

Or a drug lab, a gang hangout, a chop shop.  :whistle:

 :laugh: In a high crime city with "no go" areas, I can see the utility of having one. Of course, that means you need to be able to trust the cops - which is a risky proposition in some places.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 09:41:28 AM »
Or a drug lab, a gang hangout, a chop shop:whistle:

 :laugh: In a high crime city with "no go" areas, I can see the utility of having one. Of course, that means you need to be able to trust the cops - which is a risky proposition in some places.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing there aren't quite so many of those in Utah as in, say, New York City.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2014, 09:44:17 AM »
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing there aren't quite so many of those in Utah as in, say, New York City.

Very true. But the quote referenced the LAPD - they have more than enough of those to keep yon tank busy for years.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2014, 10:26:59 AM »
The point that is completely missed here is how much blood and treasure it cost to develop and quickly produce the MRAP and its various types and get them deployed into Iraq and Afghanistan.  This one vehicle alone has saved more lives of our soldiers who were being attacked by IEDs and slaughtered wholesale in their Hummers.

Giving these to local law enforcement is like swatting a mosquito using a Finnish .338 Lapua bullet.....

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2014, 10:37:09 AM »
Giving these to local law enforcement is like swatting a mosquito using a Finnish .338 Lapua bullet.....
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 Cut to Hank Spim who stands peering toward the horizon. Suddenly he points. 

Voice Over:  Suddenly Hank spots the mosquito they're after. 

 Dramatic music. Crash zoom along Hank's eyeline to as big a close-up as we can get of a patch in a perfectly ordinary field. Cut back to Hank and Roy starting to crawl towards some bushes. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2014, 10:45:06 AM »
The point that is completely missed here is how much blood and treasure it cost to develop and quickly produce the MRAP and its various types and get them deployed into Iraq and Afghanistan.  This one vehicle alone has saved more lives of our soldiers who were being attacked by IEDs and slaughtered wholesale in their Hummers.

Giving these to local law enforcement is like swatting a mosquito using a Finnish .338 Lapua bullet.....

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True.

On the flip side, keeping them running keeps the skilled workers producing the needed spares. Every time some cop ramps one or rolls one - and they will, they are sods to drive, the designers will be out to check in disbelief. It keeps the capacity going and will help turn a solid bit of kit into a solid bit of kit that is also idiot proof.  :laugh:
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 10:48:34 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2014, 10:58:07 AM »
Ok sheriff then lawabiding citzens should have the right to one of these or some these

Not if she fires it like that. Unless they are trying to save money on a nose job!  :laugh:
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2014, 12:14:30 PM »
Not if she fires it like that. Unless they are trying to save money on a nose job!  :laugh:
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2014, 12:18:40 PM »
There are parts of Houston where the cops wouldn't even want to take one of these things, because it would get jacked.
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2014, 01:36:19 PM »
True.

On the flip side, keeping them running keeps the skilled workers producing the needed spares. Every time some cop ramps one or rolls one - and they will, they are sods to drive, the designers will be out to check in disbelief. It keeps the capacity going and will help turn a solid bit of kit into a solid bit of kit that is also idiot proof.  :laugh:

I should add that while the MRAP is very effective in Iraq where the roads are relatively flat, the MRAP is almost useless in Afghanistan because of the terrain.  They actually redesigned it and came up with the MRAP-ATV that was lighter and capable of negotiating steep rocky hills off road.


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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2014, 02:00:42 PM »
I should add that while the MRAP is very effective in Iraq where the roads are relatively flat, the MRAP is almost useless in Afghanistan because of the terrain.  They actually redesigned it and came up with the MRAP-ATV that was lighter and capable of negotiating steep rocky hills off road.

The ATV variant was well after my time. So they came up with a semi-idiot proof one!  :laugh:

Seriously though - I can see both sides of this. Do you want police having military grade equipment? It's tempting to the wannabes and the thugs in uniform. They got these toys, they are going to use them is the (frequently too accurate) fear.
Yet, at the same time - there are zones in most big cities that would put Kosovo to shame. You going to clean them out? Your LEOs will need serious gear and the Army is practically giving it away. It's already paid for, may as well use it, especially on the southern borders. The Cartels are not shy of technology - they have adapting trucks into APC's down to an art form now.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2014, 07:27:48 PM »
Handy in no go areas and for making an abrupt entrance to a fortified dwelling.

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 07:30:59 PM »
Show of hands.  Who wants this guy (the one to your left) playing around with military grade weapons?




I don't.  There are a lot more Barney Fifes out there than there are Andy Griffiths.
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