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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2014, 12:23:32 PM »
He's Hispandering? Color me surprised.

Seriously - why are the Repubs so bloody stupid?

Where is the consistent message that the Dems own this mess? Reagan did an Amnesty for - what? - 3 million people in exchange for shutting the damned border. Not saying he was right, not saying he was wrong, but that was the deal.

The border is closed. So closed that any random idiot can drive a train through it while putting on a fireworks display and giving out free beers. The Dems own that. Make them own it.
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2014, 12:32:08 PM »

Seriously - why are the Repubs so bloody stupid?


I used to think it was stupidity, now I'm convinced they're just complicit. 
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 12:58:47 PM »
This is a camels back breaker for me!

If the house passes anything that remotely resembles amnesty I'm done with the republican party once and for all!

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2014, 01:18:08 PM »
I used to think it was stupidity, now I'm convinced they're just complicit.

I'm with you.

It's quite a stretch to believe that Republicans in that number, with the power they've managed to attain, are all stupid.

The Republican politicians that make this happen will be rewarded. They'll take theirs and 'eff the rest of us.

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 01:24:23 PM »
This is a camels back breaker for me!

If the house passes anything that remotely resembles amnesty I'm done with the republican party once and for all!

I am with you.  In the end, it will not matter anyway.  Pass amnesty and the GOP is finished with the new waves of democrat voters.  However, the GOP idiots and traitors who are complicit in the death of America should suffer immediate consequences for their travesty.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2014, 01:58:23 PM »
The Democrats need amnesty to achieve their dream of taking Texas... Boehner is determined to help them.  BTW how is what McDonnell did in VS any different from what Congress is doing every day with K street?

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 08:35:06 PM »
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This is a camels back breaker for me!

If the house passes anything that remotely resembles amnesty I'm done with the republican party once and for all!
The problem is if they get this .......................only one party rule from now on. It won't be ours. If illegals/immigrants/undocumenteddemocrats voted republican there would be a 20ft fence with gun turrets on the border by now.


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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2014, 04:00:23 AM »
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2014, 07:49:58 AM »

I hope the pro-deport crowd isn't relying on Matt Hoskins, Jim Demint, and Matt Kibbe to do their work for them.  Those guys are more about the fundrising and not so good at the deliver stuff.  Oh you didn't know?  Your a** better call somebody. 

I bet they spend more in 2014

Man those phones, people who phone others, and send those emails, email senders!  The future of our Republic is at stake.

Pro-deport crowd?  Wow, did you learn that groovy debate trick from Obammy hisself???

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 08:56:07 AM »
I used to think it was stupidity, now I'm convinced they're just complicit.

Stupidity? NO.  Complicit? YES, hand in glove.

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2014, 09:49:09 AM »
Stupidity? NO.  Complicit? YES, hand in glove.

I'm a realist, this is what I see.

On one side, you have the majority of one party, including most of the leadership, effectively all of the other party, the entire mainstream media, and an easily led, not too bright public.

On the other side, you have a handful of opposition politicians who have already been effectively branded as extremists. An echo chamber media structure, and people like us.

We're out gunned.

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2014, 10:08:43 AM »
We're out gunned.

You remind me of the (probably) apocryphal story of the meeting between the Swiss and German ministers before WW2.
The German Minister sneered at the Swiss one: "Your army is 200,000. I can have 400,000 men marching across the border in 72 hours. What could you do about that?"
The Swiss Minister shrugged. "We'd all shoot twice and then go home."

Sometimes it's not the amount of guns. It's the willingness to use them. Just ask George Washington.
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 10:32:25 AM »
You remind me of the (probably) apocryphal story of the meeting between the Swiss and German ministers before WW2.
The German Minister sneered at the Swiss one: "Your army is 200,000. I can have 400,000 men marching across the border in 72 hours. What could you do about that?"
The Swiss Minister shrugged. "We'd all shoot twice and then go home."

Sometimes it's not the amount of guns. It's the willingness to use them. Just ask George Washington.

Well said Bro! Well said indeed!

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 10:34:45 AM »
You remind me of the (probably) apocryphal story of the meeting between the Swiss and German ministers before WW2.
The German Minister sneered at the Swiss one: "Your army is 200,000. I can have 400,000 men marching across the border in 72 hours. What could you do about that?"
The Swiss Minister shrugged. "We'd all shoot twice and then go home."

Sometimes it's not the amount of guns. It's the willingness to use them. Just ask George Washington.

So if we all vote twice, we're in good shape?

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 10:39:45 AM »
So if we all vote twice, we're in good shape?

Please - we're not Democrats. Though there are plenty of conservatives in graveyards ....
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 10:42:05 AM »
Please - we're not Democrats. Though there are plenty of conservatives in graveyards ....

When you have no representation, it's very difficult to feel positive, or to even feel there is a chance to make a change. The deck is stacked, and the Republicans are willingly helping the Democrats stack it further.

The America I knew is dead, they are simply carving the carcass now.

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 11:01:19 AM »
When you have no representation, it's very difficult to feel positive, or to even feel there is a chance to make a change. The deck is stacked, and the Republicans are willingly helping the Democrats stack it further.

The America I knew is dead, they are simply carving the carcass now.

I know, my friend. Why bother when the land you love is moribund, if not actually dead and stinking.

Your America is not dead. It still lives on in a handful of people, at least. You included - hey, you are here!

A man I very much admired and loved (my he rest in peace) told me something once.

He said "You can give all the orders you want. People will obey them for fear or for habit. A true leader will never do that. He leads by example. Doing a route march? You spend the entire march on your feet. Same gear. Spend some time talking to each person. Never show you are tired. Never show your feet hurt just as much as theirs. If you are going to lead, make them want to follow you into hell to tug the Devil's beard."

Not in Hell yet, but those gates look pretty intimidating right now.
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 11:11:26 AM »
When you have no representation, it's very difficult to feel positive, or to even feel there is a chance to make a change. The deck is stacked, and the Republicans are willingly helping the Democrats stack it further.

The America I knew is dead, they are simply carving the carcass now.

The enemy of thy friend is their  friend. So thy enemy of thy enemy is thy enemy.

Which means we need a leader we can all get behind that will win so overwhelmingly that they can overcome the Obama machine cheating with ACORN funded by US! And if that leader is not a certain person the independents will stay home and we have President Hillary. And then we will wail and complain about it and wonder how it happened.
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2014, 12:27:20 PM »
I know, my friend. Why bother when the land you love is moribund, if not actually dead and stinking.

Your America is not dead. It still lives on in a handful of people, at least. You included - hey, you are here!

A man I very much admired and loved (my he rest in peace) told me something once.

He said "You can give all the orders you want. People will obey them for fear or for habit. A true leader will never do that. He leads by example. Doing a route march? You spend the entire march on your feet. Same gear. Spend some time talking to each person. Never show you are tired. Never show your feet hurt just as much as theirs. If you are going to lead, make them want to follow you into hell to tug the Devil's beard."

Not in Hell yet, but those gates look pretty intimidating right now.

History is replete with victories by badly outnumbered forces who wanted something so badly that they would not be denied regardless of the odds!

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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2014, 03:35:59 PM »
Pro-deport crowd?  Wow, did you learn that groovy debate trick from Obammy hisself???


Typical B.S. from that poster........ No one I know of has said a word about deporting... we just want the laws on the books actually enforced and the fence passed under Bush built......
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2014, 04:07:34 PM »

Typical B.S. from that poster........ No one I know of has said a word about deporting... we just want the laws on the books actually enforced and the fence passed under Bush built......

You don't want illegals deported?
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2014, 04:26:58 PM »
You don't want illegals deported?

No. Never have wanted them rounded up in raids and deported. 

If they are caught crossing then they need to be sent back before they ever get a foothold........ if you ever actually bothered to read you would know that.  I want the laws on the books enforced - which includes not hiring illegals.  I want the fence that was funded under Bush built.  There is a reason Arizona has the lowest illegal immigration - the voters here passed laws making it very difficult for you to live in this state if you are here illegally. Those laws passed with 60% of legal Hispanics voting for those laws. It is a falacy that legal Hispanics want illegals given amnesty  - in fact they resent the fact they did it the right way and these people have come in illegally and are getting welfare and other benefits.   

Every time our government starts talking amnesty more Mexicans stream into the USA thinking they can get in on amnesty.  Amnesty increases illegals. 

Are you aware that right now the US Government is using OUR tax dollars to fly children of illegals into the USA from Latin countries?  This sort of puts the big lie to we can't expect them to go back and leave their kids... nope, they left their kids to come here illegally and we are paying to have their kids brought to them here in this country...

Did you know that our government made a deal with the Sinola drug cartel to allow them to bring drugs into this country unmolested as long as they agree to drop the dime on other drug cartels? 

Do you have a clue why the big companies want illegals to come into the USA and work for lower wages - putting more Americans out of work - when we already have 32% real unemployement in this country among our own citizens... they want them because the way OCare was written they can work them 40 hours or more a week, don't have to give them benefits or pay the fines to the government if they don't provide health insurance...  Amnesty is the final disaster for this country and all of our ways of life...   

Look at who the government just hired to take over programming for OCare - which is being paid for out of our tax dollars.  They hired a company who only hires foreign programmers for a much lower cost than American programers... so we are footing the bill for this companies owners, board, stock holders to get even richer and the jobs are going to foreigners because they will work cheap...   So much for this crap Obama is spewing about income equality, eh........ it's all baloney...... 

Since we seem to need farm workers (thought the drought is making this questionable) then return to the tried and formerly true bracero program.  The workers come here on a work visa signed out to the employer who is responsible for making certain they return to Mexico at the end of the season.. Their family stays in Mexico - he can send money home as he sees fit since under bracero the employers provide housing. 

If a person want to immigrate to the USA all countries are given equal opportunity and they have to have a trade we need in this country, an education and/or proof of financial ability to survive without welfare benefits...... every other country has this requirement - it's time we do the same and hold to it. 

and no amnesty... if they want citizenship and ability to vote, etc... return to Mexico and come here legally.




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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2014, 03:49:00 AM »
No. Never have wanted them rounded up in raids and deported. 

That proves it to me.  You'll write anything to argue.

I don't believe for a second you are fine with illegals invading our country as long as they don't get caught.
"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."  -  President Donald J Trump

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
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Re: Third-ranking House Republican backs legal status for immigrants
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 08:46:09 AM »
No. Never have wanted them rounded up in raids and deported. 

If they are caught crossing then they need to be sent back before they ever get a foothold........ if you ever actually bothered to read you would know that.  I want the laws on the books enforced - which includes not hiring illegals.  I want the fence that was funded under Bush built.  There is a reason Arizona has the lowest illegal immigration - the voters here passed laws making it very difficult for you to live in this state if you are here illegally. Those laws passed with 60% of legal Hispanics voting for those laws. It is a falacy that legal Hispanics want illegals given amnesty  - in fact they resent the fact they did it the right way and these people have come in illegally and are getting welfare and other benefits.   

Every time our government starts talking amnesty more Mexicans stream into the USA thinking they can get in on amnesty.  Amnesty increases illegals. 

Are you aware that right now the US Government is using OUR tax dollars to fly children of illegals into the USA from Latin countries?  This sort of puts the big lie to we can't expect them to go back and leave their kids... nope, they left their kids to come here illegally and we are paying to have their kids brought to them here in this country...

Did you know that our government made a deal with the Sinola drug cartel to allow them to bring drugs into this country unmolested as long as they agree to drop the dime on other drug cartels? 

Do you have a clue why the big companies want illegals to come into the USA and work for lower wages - putting more Americans out of work - when we already have 32% real unemployement in this country among our own citizens... they want them because the way OCare was written they can work them 40 hours or more a week, don't have to give them benefits or pay the fines to the government if they don't provide health insurance...  Amnesty is the final disaster for this country and all of our ways of life...   

Look at who the government just hired to take over programming for OCare - which is being paid for out of our tax dollars.  They hired a company who only hires foreign programmers for a much lower cost than American programers... so we are footing the bill for this companies owners, board, stock holders to get even richer and the jobs are going to foreigners because they will work cheap...   So much for this crap Obama is spewing about income equality, eh........ it's all baloney...... 

Since we seem to need farm workers (thought the drought is making this questionable) then return to the tried and formerly true bracero program.  The workers come here on a work visa signed out to the employer who is responsible for making certain they return to Mexico at the end of the season.. Their family stays in Mexico - he can send money home as he sees fit since under bracero the employers provide housing. 

If a person want to immigrate to the USA all countries are given equal opportunity and they have to have a trade we need in this country, an education and/or proof of financial ability to survive without welfare benefits...... every other country has this requirement - it's time we do the same and hold to it. 

and no amnesty... if they want citizenship and ability to vote, etc... return to Mexico and come here legally.

I was going to put in my two cents but then I saw every point was done to perfection with a crisp $100 bill!


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