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America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« on: January 17, 2014, 06:46:10 PM »
“I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official told BuzzFeed. The NSA leaker is enemy No. 1 among those inside the intelligence world.
Benny Johnson

Snowden’s Russian refugee document.

Edward Snowden has made some dangerous enemies. As the American intelligence community struggles to contain the public damage done by the former National Security Agency contractor’s revelations of mass domestic spying, intelligence operators have continued to seethe in very personal terms against the 30-year-old whistle-blower.

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official, a former special forces officer, said bluntly. “I do not take pleasure in taking another human beings life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.”

That violent hostility lies just beneath the surface of the domestic debate over NSA spying is still ongoing. Some members of Congress have hailed Snowden as a whistle-blower, the New York Times has called for clemency, and pundits regularly defend his actions on Sunday talk shows. In intelligence community circles, Snowden is considered a nothing short of a traitor in wartime.

“His name is cursed every day over here,” a defense contractor told BuzzFeed, speaking from an overseas intelligence collections base. “Most everyone I talk to says he needs to be tried and hung, forget the trial and just hang him.”

One Army intelligence officer even offered BuzzFeed a chillingly detailed fantasy.

“I think if we had the chance, we would end it very quickly,” he said. “Just casually walking on the streets of Moscow, coming back from buying his groceries. Going back to his flat and he is casually poked by a passerby. He thinks nothing of it at the time starts to feel a little woozy and thinks it’s a parasite from the local water. He goes home very innocently and next thing you know he dies in the shower.”

There is no indication that the United States has sought to take vengeance on Snowden, who is living in an undisclosed location in Russia without visible security measures, according to a recent Washington Post interview. And the intelligence operators who spoke to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity did not say they expected anyone to act on their desire for revenge. But their mood is widespread, people who regularly work with the intelligence community said.

“These guys are emoting how pissed they are,” Peter Singer, a cyber-security expert at the Brookings Institute. “Do you think people at the NSA would put a statue of him out front?”

The degree to which Snowden’s revelations have damaged intelligence operations are also being debated. Shawn Turner, a spokesman for the director of national intelligence, recently called the leaks “unnecessarily and extremely damaging to the United States and the intelligence community’s national security efforts,” and the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Dutch Ruppersberger said terrorists have been “changing their methods because of the leaks.” Snowden’s defenders dismiss those concerns as overblown, and the government has not pointed to specific incidents to bear out the claims.

On the ground, intelligence workers certainly say the damage has been done. The NSA officer complained that his sources had become “useless.” The Army intelligence officer said the revelations had increased his “blindness.”

“I do my work in a combat zone so now I have to see the effects of a Snowden in a combat zone. It will not be pretty,” he said.

And while government officials have a long record of overstating the damage from leaks, some specific consequences seem logical.

“By [Snowden] showing who our collections partners were, the terrorists have dropped those carriers and email addresses,” the DOD official said. “We can’t find them because he released that data. Their electronic signature is gone.”

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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 06:50:05 PM »
is anyone surprised?

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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2014, 06:30:19 AM »
is anyone surprised?

Nope. I can relate in a lot of ways. He's a loose end. You don't leave loose ends.
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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 06:22:15 PM »
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he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history
I have to wonder how this fellow feels about Obama.
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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 06:30:13 PM »
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he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history

I have to wonder how this fellow feels about Obama.

We'll never know since this person is anonymous, and most likely non existent. Obama is the greatest traitor and fraud known to America. But then, is he really a traitor, since it's highly doubtful he is an American citizen?

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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 06:59:19 PM »
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this person is anonymous, and most likely non existent
Good point.
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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 07:15:48 PM »
is anyone surprised?
I want him classified for what he is: a traitor to his country. He violated his employment contracts, and he violated his security clearance.

In rational times, he'd be convicted and sentenced.

In the irrational times now, some call him a whistleblower or hero. That is bullsh!t of the most rank type.

His actions should be compared to blabbing to the German's about Bletchley Park and Enigma, or to the Japanese about our Navajo code talkers.

Civilian and military lives depended on the secrets. The so called "whistleblower" would be getting his fellow citizens killed.

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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 08:19:43 PM »
I want him classified for what he is: a traitor to his country. He violated his employment contracts, and he violated his security clearance.

In rational times, he'd be convicted and sentenced.

In the irrational times now, some call him a whistleblower or hero. That is bullsh!t of the most rank type.

His actions should be compared to blabbing to the German's about Bletchley Park and Enigma, or to the Japanese about our Navajo code talkers.

Civilian and military lives depended on the secrets. The so called "whistleblower" would be getting his fellow citizens killed.

It would have been a good thing if the guards at concentration camps weren't so eager to oblige Hitler. In the beginning, I waffled about Snowden, but since then, have come to the conclusion he had good intentions. How would doing that benefit him personally? I'm inclined to think he had honorable motives, and put America before politics and corrupt leaders. He should be commended, not condemned.

Most of us knew there were listening devices used for specific reasons, but since the release of the records, we have found out we are all vulnerable to a corrupt government. Even Obama was half/assed apologetic, as much as that narcissist could muster.

If I was in a position where I could show government corruption to that degree, I would do the same. My country comes before my allegiance to a boss, no matter how many contracts I signed or promises I made.

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Re: America’s Spies Want Edward Snowden Dead
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 10:22:54 PM »
I want him classified for what he is: a traitor to his country. He violated his employment contracts, and he violated his security clearance.

In rational times, he'd be convicted and sentenced.

In the irrational times now, some call him a whistleblower or hero. That is bullsh!t of the most rank type.

His actions should be compared to blabbing to the German's about Bletchley Park and Enigma, or to the Japanese about our Navajo code talkers.

Civilian and military lives depended on the secrets. The so called "whistleblower" would be getting his fellow citizens killed.

He broke the law and should face the consequences; however, his actions have also catalysed something that many suspected but that the public at large was unwilling to accept:  that at least since 9/11 our government has begun to treat us as subjects to be managed and manipulated, and observed the way one observes rats in a maze.

Snowden has certainly done a lot of damage to the US, which is lamentable; however, it's not the end of the world and the US has recovered from similar disasters before.  I am less concerned about that damage than I am about the incipient tyranny that's abornin' at the NSA and in other federal agencies.


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