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These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« on: January 17, 2014, 12:28:57 PM »
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 12:46:13 PM »
Let me see.

Skull binding, skull binding, skull binding, hydrocephaly (That would be the star child skull.)

These "scientific tests" performed. May we see the genome analysis please? A simple and basic elemental composition analysis compared to other, un-deformed skulls of the same period? A dental work up and tooth count?

Color me skeptical.
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 01:22:01 PM »
Let me see.

Skull binding, skull binding, skull binding, hydrocephaly (That would be the star child skull.)

These "scientific tests" performed. May we see the genome analysis please? A simple and basic elemental composition analysis compared to other, un-deformed skulls of the same period? A dental work up and tooth count?

Color me skeptical.

I'm with you on this 100%.  Show me the proof, any proof.  DNA extrapolations be damned.

On the gripping hand, perhaps this is a survivor of the alien colony on Yucatan that was destroyed by an orbital bombardment with a kinetic energy weapon that dug what we know as the Gulf of Mexico...

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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 08:00:30 AM »
Many things are possible.  If they are likely is another story.
My own belief is related to time.  The tossing around of time, between 20,000 and 25,000 years this happened.  Well, 5000 years is a long damned time!  500 years is a long damned time!  In 500 years, we discovered, explored and developed a continent but still left two others, possibly 4 relatively untouched.
There are many "dropped from the Heavens" stories.  Lucifer - brought "light", dissension and evil.  Loki - brought dissension, trickery and evil.  Prometheus - brought light, language and learning.  Jesus Christ - brought light, dissension and learning.
Two continents, 2000 miles, 4 "religious heritages".  That's without getting Asia, Africa or the Americas into the conversation.
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 08:16:00 AM »
I don't know whether to treat this piece with humor or contempt, or perhaps, just ignore it. Bye-bye.

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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 08:17:23 AM »
Possible - certainly. I'm in favor of keeping an open mind, though not so open my brains fall out!  :laugh:

The weak case first - an appeal to probability. The chances of non human life being able to live here at all is remote. All it takes, assuming DNA/protein based life, is a single change - say requiring D Lysine instead of L Lysine - to make here uninhabitable for strangers.

Stronger case - the skulls are no different from known skulls from cultures that practiced skull binding. While it is a little surprising that such an odd thing would be so widespread, it has happened, even in historical times There were still people living in the 1970's who had been skull bound as a child (See "I heard the Owl Call My Name.")

There is weird stuff out there. That much is true. I'm betting that every single member here has seen something inexplicable at some stage in their lives. But this - it fails the basic test.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 08:59:24 AM »
The most commonly accepted theory of how the Gulf of Mexico was dug involves the impact of an asteroid about 10 kilometers in diameter impacting on the ancient land of Yucatan and obliterating everything that was there.  It would have had to be what is called a planetessimal to do that much damage and even then the impact speed would have had to be fairly low or it would have cracked the planet.

A much smaller object traveling at a significant fraction of c (that's the speed of light for the uninitiated...) would produce the same effect because of relativistic effects.  Remember Energy is equal to Mass multiplied by the Speed of Light squared.  That means as you approach light speed an object's mass approaches infinity and that means so does the energy it packs.  So a 100 kilogram chunk of matter traveling at 70% of the speed of light is perfectly capable of not only digging the Gulf of Mexico, but also wiping out any living creature that isn't high enough to escape the tsunamis or hidden behind enough solid rock to escape the worst of the blast and heat from the impact.

So, that these odd skulls were found in Peru makes a lot of sense because all of Peru is high enough not to have much worry about multiple tsunamis and is made up of some of the toughest mountains on the planet.  Good place for sole survivors to go and wait for rescue that never came.

So, the question becomes, just who was shooting at who using KEWs??  If these skulls are from the survivors, what did the beings who won look like??

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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 09:03:26 AM »

Stronger case - the skulls are no different from known skulls from cultures that practiced skull binding.


The claim is made in the article that the VOLUME of the skulls cannot be changed by binding and the volume of these skulls is much larger than the typical human skull.  There is also reference to some DNA testing already performed and it lends to the theory these may not be human, or are a combination of human and alien.  At least that is what the article states.
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 09:05:30 AM »
The most commonly accepted theory of how the Gulf of Mexico was dug involves the impact of an asteroid about 10 kilometers in diameter impacting on the ancient land of Yucatan and obliterating everything that was there.  It would have had to be what is called a planetessimal to do that much damage and even then the impact speed would have had to be fairly low or it would have cracked the planet.

A much smaller object traveling at a significant fraction of c (that's the speed of light for the uninitiated...) would produce the same effect because of relativistic effects.  Remember Energy is equal to Mass multiplied by the Speed of Light squared.  That means as you approach light speed an object's mass approaches infinity and that means so does the energy it packs.  So a 100 kilogram chunk of matter traveling at 70% of the speed of light is perfectly capable of not only digging the Gulf of Mexico, but also wiping out any living creature that isn't high enough to escape the tsunamis or hidden behind enough solid rock to escape the worst of the blast and heat from the impact.

So, that these odd skulls were found in Peru makes a lot of sense because all of Peru is high enough not to have much worry about multiple tsunamis and is made up of some of the toughest mountains on the planet.  Good place for sole survivors to go and wait for rescue that never came.

So, the question becomes, just who was shooting at who using KEWs??  If these skulls are from the survivors, what did the beings who won look like??

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Going to tease you slightly.  :whistle:

Everyone knows the Gulf was not made by an inbound KEW. It was made by an outbound. The race that lived there decided to move on and took the  land around them with them, about 65 million yeas ago.  :laugh:

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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 09:12:54 AM »
If someone would just bother to ask them, they'll tell you.  They are from France.

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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 09:20:44 AM »
Seriously EC...why is there so much oil in the Gulf of Mexico??  It's because of all the organic debris that was driven down into the mantle by the impact.  If a ten kilometer asteroid hit the planet it would have likely spalled a second moon off of the other side of the planet, in homage to Sir Isaac Newton.  A KEW would give up all of its relativistic mass as hard radiation, visible light and a whole bunch of heat.  The steam generated from seawater entering the molten crater would have created an ice age that lasted for decades, at least, before the hole cooled enough to stop boiling the ocean overhead, allowing the water to finally rain out of the atmosphere instead of burying the planet in snow. 

Maybe "Star Child" froze to death in Peru....

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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 09:32:05 AM »
Humanity's ego may never accept the idea of anyone other than us  existing in this vast universe. More so in this planet.

It would destroy our self-image as God's chosen people and seriously challenge every single one of our beliefs.



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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 09:36:08 AM »
Humanity's ego may never accept the idea of anyone other than us  existing in this vast universe. More so in this planet.

It would destroy our self-image as God's chosen people and seriously challenge every single one of our beliefs.


Sad, but true.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2014, 09:55:58 AM »

Sad, but true.

Many people who believe in the absolutism of the creation as described in Genesis, will demand absolute proof of the existence of these beings, completely discarding the fact that they are in Genesis as well.

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6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

"Sons of God"?

John 3:16... ?

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 10:04:33 AM »
Many people who believe in the absolutism of the creation as described in Genesis, will demand absolute proof of the existence of these beings, completely discarding the fact that they are in Genesis as well.

"Sons of God"?

John 3:16... ?

I'll throw up a storm. 

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

Does that indicate there ARE other gods?
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2014, 10:07:40 AM »
I'll throw up a storm. 

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

Does that indicate there ARE other gods?

Or is that an instruction from the God of Abraham to disregard and/or discard other Gods that preceded and/or coexisted with Him?

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"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"

What "other gods" exactly?

Doesn't that entire sentence presuppose the existence of "other gods" and simply establishes the God of Abraham's superiority over them?

God doesn't actually tell Moses that there are no other gods, which would seem the right thing for Him to say if there were only Him and that any other "gods" are creations of man, he just says that the Israelites should hold no God ahead or above Him ("before Me").

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 10:24:58 AM »
What "other gods" exactly?

Doesn't that entire sentence presuppose the existence of "other gods" and simply establishes the God of Abraham's superiority over them?

God doesn't actually tell Moses that there are no other gods, which would seem the right thing for Him to say if there were only Him and that any other "gods" are creations of man, he just says that the Israelites should hold no God ahead or above Him ("before Me").


Or....the God of Abraham may have know the propensity of humans to erect other gods.....the golden calf comes to mind.   The Sun is another.
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Re: These Ancient elongated skulls are NOT HUMAN
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2014, 10:34:05 AM »
What "other gods" exactly?

Doesn't that entire sentence presuppose the existence of "other gods" and simply establishes the God of Abraham's superiority over them?

God doesn't actually tell Moses that there are no other gods, which would seem the right thing for Him to say if there were only Him and that any other "gods" are creations of man, he just says that the Israelites should hold no God ahead or above Him ("before Me").

According to the Gnostics (for what's that worth), the god of Creation is a minor god in a vast Pantheon.  He was sort of the "James Randi" in a room of Houdinis.  Needed the worshipers, created man (much the same Angra Mainyu created the peacock) and the rest is history.
The Cathars followed a similar teaching as did the Albegensians (?) and other Manichaeism related movements in Christianity.  They separate "Yahweh" from "God(s)".  Christ (from the Orthodox Christianity) was more related to the "correct" beliefs of Zoroastrianist derived Christianity than the regimentation of Rome and the Protestants.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2014, 10:35:17 AM »

Or....the God of Abraham may have know the propensity of humans to erect other gods.....the golden calf comes to mind.   The Sun is another.

Those are objects that God described as "gods". "There are no other Gods but me" would be a more concrete denial of the possible existence of any other "god".

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2014, 10:39:27 AM »
There is One God, the Eternal, the Only Being; none exists save He.

The God of the Sufi is the God of every creed, and the God of all. Names make no difference to him. Allah, God, Gott, Dieu, Brahma, or Bhagwan, all these names and more are the names of his God; and yet to him God is beyond the limitation of name. He sees his God in the sun, in the fire, in the idol which diverse sects worship; and he recognizes Him in all the forms of the universe, yet knowing Him to be beyond all form: God in all, and all in God, He being the Seen and the Unseen, the Only Being. God to the Sufi is not only a religious belief, but also the highest ideal the human mind can conceive.
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2014, 10:45:31 AM »
There is One God, the Eternal, the Only Being; none exists save He.

The God of the Sufi is the God of every creed, and the God of all. Names make no difference to him. Allah, God, Gott, Dieu, Brahma, or Bhagwan, all these names and more are the names of his God; and yet to him God is beyond the limitation of name. He sees his God in the sun, in the fire, in the idol which diverse sects worship; and he recognizes Him in all the forms of the universe, yet knowing Him to be beyond all form: God in all, and all in God, He being the Seen and the Unseen, the Only Being. God to the Sufi is not only a religious belief, but also the highest ideal the human mind can conceive.

Being somewhat of a pantheist, I have no conflict with the notion of God being the Sun and the Sun being God.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 10:49:21 AM »
Being somewhat of a pantheist, I have no conflict with the notion of God being the Sun and the Sun being God.

I like Sufis.

Good people, know how to party hard and work hard. Not for them the hellfire, brimstone and damnation. Just - here's your life, here are the gifts and skills you have been given. Go improve the lot of others.

I can live with that ideal.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2014, 10:55:53 AM »
I like Sufis.

Good people, know how to party hard and work hard. Not for them the hellfire, brimstone and damnation. Just - here's your life, here are the gifts and skills you have been given. Go improve the lot of others.

I can live with that ideal.

I respect all belief systems that respect all belief systems. I am highly intolerant of intolerance because tolerating intolerance will lead to the end of all tolerance (paraphrasing Karl Popper there).

It seems to me that the idea of living the life that was gifted to you by God with the sole purpose of waiting for some other life on some other plane, is waisting the gift that God gave you.

Live life.

Enjoy life.

Make other people's lives better by your mere presence.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2014, 10:57:05 AM »

Or....the God of Abraham may have know the propensity of humans to erect other gods.....the golden calf comes to mind.   The Sun is another.

There was also Baal, the God of the Canaanites,
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