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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540017/Fears-grow-Michael-Schumacher-coma-rest-life.html

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    German media rife with speculation after speaking to brain injury experts
    Formula One star has been in artificially induced coma for the last 18 days
    Bild newspaper says his condition is so grave there are no plans to wake
    Silence from his management and medical team has also fuelled concerns


Fears are growing in Germany that stricken F1 legend Michael Schumacher may be in a coma for the rest of his life.

German weekly news magazine Focus reported that 'Schumacher could be in a coma forever' after speaking with experts on his condition.

Bild newspaper also reported that his condition is so grave that there are currently no plans to wake him.


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Speculation by news people.

The family and medical people have had virtually no comments on his true condition for days.



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Fears are growing that Michael Schumacher could remain in a 'persistent vegetative state' for the rest of his life even if he wakes up from his coma.

The Formula One legend has been in intensive care since his skiing accident in France nearly four weeks ago.

He was placed into an artificially induced coma shortly after the crash to help his brain heal, but such measures normally last only a maximum of two weeks.

Jean-Marc Orgogozo, Professor of Neurology at the University of Bordeaux, said: 'Every day, every week in a coma the chances decline that the situation is improving'.

One Austrian website reported Schumacher, 45, may suffer from Apallic Syndrome or persistent vegetative state.


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Are we missing something? If they put him in the drug induced coma they can bring him out-usually...
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Now that's an interesting development.

Very possible.  It depends on what the helmet was made of, and how it was made, and how whomever installed the camera made the holes, and whether they damaged the helmet in the process.  In addition, the helmet was not likely designed to absorb the forces developed when the camera is struck and transfers the forces to the helmet.  Shock waves propagate through solid objects in predictable ways and it isn't difficult to induce damage in an object with multiple shocks coming from different directions.

And the skull under that helmet is another solid object.....
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Ironic about the helmet. Formula 1 drivers including Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda and Ayrton Senna pushed for greater safety measures, and my guess is that Schumacher supported safety too.

Michael Schumacher was a truly great driver, and his records prove that. No scandals or controversies that I know of.

He did his entertaining on the race course, not off the track.



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Michael Schumacher was a truly great driver, and his records prove that. No scandals or controversies that I know of.

He did his entertaining on the race course, not off the track.
Yes. This is so sad for his family.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575531/Doctors-tell-Michael-Schumachers-family-miracle-save-say-reports.html

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The family of F1 legend Michael Schumacher have been informed by doctors treating him that the chances of recovery are now so slim that only 'a miracle' can save him.

Today the 45-year-old winner of seven grand prix titles has been in an artificially induced coma for 69 days since badly injuring his brain during a low-speed ski accident in the French Alps on December 29.  Most artificial comas last for a period of two to three weeks.

His management team, led by spokeswoman Sabine Kehm, insist that he remains in the 'wake up' phase of his treatment as doctors continue to decrease the powerful narcotics that have kept him unconscious. Official news about his condition is minimal: but sources close to the family say the prognosis for Schumacher could not be worse.

'He is in terrible shape but until the family issue a statement we cannot write about it,' said one senior German journalist. 'The family have, we are told, been informed that only a miracle can bring him back now.'

However, Italian sports newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport is claiming that the seven-time world champion is no longer on a ventilator and is now breathing independently.

Focus magazine reported a fortnight ago that the wake-up phase had been stopped due to complications and that he was placed back in the coma. That was denied by Kehm although experts say that such a super-fit individual as Schumacher would have expelled all the drugs from his body by now, and that if he was going to wake up, he would have done so already.

This week was a vital one for Schumacher: two months into his coma - induced to slow down brain functions, thus allowing it to heal more rapidly - doctors were hoping for a sign that he was aware of his environment.   


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Schumacher condition shows 'encouraging signs'
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 03:58:16 AM »
Injured Formula 1 legend Michael Schumacher has been showing "small, encouraging signs" in his fight for recovery, his family says.

"We are and remain confident that Michael will pull through and will wake up," the relatives said in a statement.

Doctors in France have been working to bring the seven-time champion out of a medically induced coma.

The 45-year-old German suffered a severe head injury in a skiing accident in the French Alps on 29 December.

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Former Formula 1 chief doctor Dr Gary Hartstein has warned that fans must prepare themselves "for the worst" news as attempts to awaken Michael Schumacher continue following his horrific ski accident.

 Schumacher suffered serious brain injuries after hitting his head on a rock when skiing off-piste in the exclusive French resort of Meribel at the end of December, with attempts to bring him out of his medically-induced coma now in an eighth week.

 The 45-year-old's manager Sabine Kehm confirmed 13 days ago that attempts to awaken the seven-time world champion are continuing and will do for "as long as it takes", warning that it can be a very long and drawn out process.

 However, Dr Hartstein - who was a key figure in the paddock until the end of the 2012 season - has admitted that the longer it takes, the less likely it is that Schumacher will ever recover.

 Writing on his personal blog, the American said: "As time goes on it becomes less and less likely that Michael will emerge to any significant extent."

 A number of tributes and messages of support have been passed on in the hope that Schumacher will recover, and the support across the globe is not a surprise for the 58-year-old Professor.

 "I always knew Michael was adored," Dr Hartstein continued.

 "I spent years at circuits drenched in red by the Ferrari caps, flags, and shirts, and all of that for Michael. I'm still staggered by the depth and persistence of his fans' love for him.

 "And whereas I worried more than a bit about what was going to happen when and if really bad news got announced, I've realised that perhaps the lack of status updates has given us all a chance to move on a bit, to process what's happening, and to start to... detach."

 Reports earlier today claimed that Schumacher had lost up to 25 per cent of his body weight due to muscle atrophy, a condition common when patients are in a deep coma as their muscles are not being used.

 Dr Hartstein said that it is "entirely possible and, in fact, probable" that Schumacher had lost a significant amount of weight.

 "Happily, the consequences are not particularly dramatic, at least immediately," he added.

 "To be blunt, a patient in coma doesn't really need his or her muscles . . . with the exception of the diaphragm. The diaphragm, which like the heart is pretty much always active, resists atrophy rather better than other muscles, but it does atrophy.

 "And having a machine doing the breathing for you is one of the best ways to see how disuse atrophy affects the diaphragm too. Unfortunately, and assuming (as I have until now) that Michael is being ventilated by a respirator, there is probably some degree of diaphragmatic atrophy at this point."

 Dr Hartstein went open to describe Schumacher's current state as a "persistent coma", and mentioned the "sever ramifications" that a lengthy period of time in a coma can cause.

 "As mentioned previously, the longer one remains in a vegetative state, the less the likelihood of emerging, and the higher the chances of severe ramifications if the patient does in fact emerge," Dr Hartstein wrote.

 "Most definitions consider the vegetative state to be permanent one year after the injury.

 "Patients who are in a persistent/permanent vegetative state have lifespans that are measured in months to a few years. This depends on baseline function (extraordinary in the case of Michael, of course), the quality of nursing care, and other imponderables. They usually die of respiratory or urinary infections. Longer survivals have been described, but are exceptional."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/racing/schumacher-battling-for-life/top-stories/Michael-Schumacher-Former-F1-doctor-warns-fans-must-prepare-for-the-worst/articleshow/32728200.cms

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Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2014, 08:33:11 PM »
Never wore one as a kid and only God knows how many times I wiped out.

I'm still alive to talk about it, although maybe it does explain a few things.  :silly:
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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2014, 09:02:45 PM »
Never wore one as a kid and only God knows how many times I wiped out.

I'm still alive to talk about it, although maybe it does explain a few things.  :silly:
Until New York State made it a crime to not wear one if you were under 14, I never wore one, either, and by the time I was 14, I gave it up for good.

I still ride my bicycle fairly frequently, and without a helmet. The statement "The research showed that drivers get around 3 inches closer to cyclists who wear helmets because they perceive them as safer." is, from my experience, at least partially true. I've been on my bicycle going into oncoming traffic (usually because there's a barking dog trying to get aggressive toward me on the "right" side of the road) and you would not believe how many times I see a car swerve clear halfway into the other lane just to avoid hitting me, even if I'm off the side of the road and am in no danger of getting hit. (Thankfully that only happens when there isn't any traffic coming in the same direction as me.)

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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2014, 11:16:43 PM »
Sort of like the reason why motorcycle helmets are called brain buckets.

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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2014, 11:38:59 PM »
A good quality helmut, which fits correctly and fastened properly, is a smart safety measure.

I can ride on trails away from vehicle traffic. Nevertheless, if you go down the helmut may make a difference.
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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 12:02:52 AM »
A good quality helmut, which fits correctly and fastened properly, is a smart safety measure.

I can ride on trails away from vehicle traffic. Nevertheless, if you go down the helmut may make a difference.

true enough.  it probably has more to do with the quality of the helmet than anything else, and a lot of bicycle helmets really aren't of that high a quality.  Sort of like the three-mile-an-hour bumpers we have on cars - useful if you nudge another car while trying to get out of a parallel parking space, but otherwise just something else to be replaced when it's damaged.

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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2014, 12:22:50 AM »
true enough.  it probably has more to do with the quality of the helmet than anything else, and a lot of bicycle helmets really aren't of that high a quality.  Sort of like the three-mile-an-hour bumpers we have on cars - useful if you nudge another car while trying to get out of a parallel parking space, but otherwise just something else to be replaced when it's damaged.
Michael Schumacher, retired Formula 1 driver, is laying in a coma, from a minor skiing fall.

He was wearing a rental helmet, with a camera mounted on it. I wonder if the camera mounting defeated the structural strength of the helmet?

Nikki Lauda, Aryton Senna, and Jackie Stewart all took up the cause of safety for drivers.

I see no good argument for bicyclists to ignore common sense safety measures.

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Re: Cycle helmets are useless, says brain surgeon
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2014, 01:15:05 AM »
A good quality helmut, which fits correctly and fastened properly, is a smart safety measure.

I can ride on trails away from vehicle traffic. Nevertheless, if you go down the helmut may make a difference.

Quality is the key for any protective gear, but a lot of people aren't willing to spring for high quality gear that is going to be grown out of (for kids) or expensive to replace if damaged (adults). Pretty stupid, but people do tend to be.
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