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Bye bye Britain
« on: January 11, 2014, 09:30:29 AM »
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Re: Bye bye Britain
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 09:33:23 PM »
Someday, if the English want to survive -as- English, they're gonna have to find their own version of Charles Martel...

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Re: Bye bye Britain
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 01:55:30 AM »
And yet, we have virtually no Muslim riots, unlike the rest of Europe. When 7/7 happened and when Drummer Rigby was murdered, the mosques and the Muslims did no celebrating. Well, one mosque did - it no longer exists.

Despite a couple of breathlessly hysterical op-eds in the Daily Mail, there are no no-go areas that are for Muslims only. Sure, some idiots tried it on, both in North London and in Birmingham, but that died a very quick death.

In general, the English (and the Scots, and the Welsh) are a tolerant sort of people. Live and let live, mind their own business sorts. Just do not get them angry.
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Re: Bye bye Britain
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 06:24:06 AM »
I guess my question would be are they so tolerant and politically correct they will allow themselves to be devoured by Islam, as the United States seems to be on the road to doing? :shrug:
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Re: Bye bye Britain
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 06:56:14 AM »
I guess my question would be are they so tolerant and politically correct they will allow themselves to be devoured by Islam, as the United States seems to be on the road to doing? :shrug:

Good question and kind of hard to explain. Still - I'll give it a go if you like.

Warning - gross generalizations ahead!  :police:

It seems to me mainly to do with exposure. America is the melting pot, right? People arrive. They try to fit in. Their children do fit in but are slightly ashamed of their culture. The grand children are both proud to be American and proud of their ancestry. It's a good thing.

Here, on the other hand, we didn't start by accepting the poor, the huddled masses yearning for freedom. We started by kicking the hell out of half the globe and taking it over. Think of the difference that makes. You are some grunt, thousands of miles from home and knowing that, while you have the back up and the fire power to maintain the Empire, you also will have a lot easier time of it if you don't cause problems in the first place. You learn to relax a little. To accept differences, as long as said differences don't interfere with the regiment.

Then you come home. Get married, have kids, and your kids learn from you. You are still British. Damned proud of it, too. But there is an underlying sense that - as long as people behave according to the law - they can be left in peace to do what they want.

Make sense?

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 07:50:56 AM »
I don't mind differences in culture, differences in religion, in Britain or here in America ... But I do mind radical Islam.

No modernity, no peace. They either join the 21st century, or ... else.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 08:03:18 AM »
I don't mind differences in culture, differences in religion, in Britain or here in America ... But I do mind radical Islam.

No modernity, no peace. They either join the 21st century, or ... else.

I dislike radicals, no matter what stripe they may be. Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Atheist. Never met a Radical Buddhist.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 08:13:41 AM »
I am unaware of any reported violence on the part of radical Christians? How does that work? Jesus loves you, do unto others, or else I'll blow-up myself and you in the process!
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 08:21:47 AM »
Take a quick peek at C.A.R.

Or Westboro, if you want to stay closer to home.

Sticking purely with the 3 Abrahamic religions, basically the books tell you "Don't be a dick." Goes against human nature, that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 08:27:57 AM »
I'm familiar with Westboro, but googling C.A.R. just brings up Lexus of Manhattan, etc.

What is C.A.R.?
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 08:52:50 AM »
Central African Republic.

The Christians are slaughtering the Muslims. Of course, the Muslims are giving back as good as they get, but have a smaller force on their side.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 10:08:20 AM »


Make sense?

It does to me but will make no sense to a muslim.  Their understanding of the world seems to be totally black and white; no nuances, gray areas, no tolerance.  They really don't care about how nice it is to be tolerant and see that as weakness, as far as I can tell. :chairbang:
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 10:41:09 AM »
It does to me but will make no sense to a muslim.  Their understanding of the world seems to be totally black and white; no nuances, gray areas, no tolerance.  They really don't care about how nice it is to be tolerant and see that as weakness, as far as I can tell. :chairbang:

Going to ask you something. Not hostile, just in general, because it's important.

You have friends, family, colleagues. Most of them identify as Christian, right? Yet how many of them hit church every week without fail? Betting a fair number of them are what we call here Christmas and Easter Christians. They go to church once in a while, pray once in a while, but otherwise it's just there in the background.

Why would you think that Muslims are some monolithic block, when you know full well Christians are not. Sure - they are Muslims. They are also people. Worth thinking on.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2014, 10:44:18 AM »
I understand your point.  However, there are no penalties for not being a good Christian while there are for not being a good muslim.  This may be religion by force but has shown pretty effective at keeping muslims in line.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2014, 10:56:14 AM »
I understand your point.  However, there are no penalties for not being a good Christian while there are for not being a good muslim.  This may be religion by force but has shown pretty effective at keeping muslims in line.

True. I just get tetched some times.

I have lived with Muslims - literally, as in shared a tent, chow line, showers and latrines. Most of them were pretty relaxed about most things (the showing the soles of your feet to them was one thing they mostly couldn't deal with - a bit of a pain in the ass since I like putting my feet up when I sit for any length of time. And don't even get me started on having to remember to use my right hand for most things!).

Are there extremists? Of course there are. Same as any religion. And the vast majority of Muslims treat the extremists exactly the same way we Christians do - with caution and a bit of eye rolling.

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Re: Bye bye Britain
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2014, 11:40:52 AM »
EC wrote:
[[ In general, the English (and the Scots, and the Welsh) are a tolerant sort of people. Live and let live, mind their own business sorts. Just do not get them angry. ]]

What you miss completely is that muslims do not feel the same way about YOU.

They keep some things hidden, for now. But as their strength (in numbers) grows, so too will grow their objections to your culture, and their attempts to replace it with their own.

You may not be interested in islam, but islam is interested in you.

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2014, 11:47:28 AM »
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[[ In general, the English (and the Scots, and the Welsh) are a tolerant sort of people. Live and let live, mind their own business sorts. Just do not get them angry. ]]

What you miss completely is that muslims do not feel the same way about YOU.

They keep some things hidden, for now. But as their strength (in numbers) grows, so too will grow their objections to your culture, and their attempts to replace it with their own.

You may not be interested in islam, but islam is interested in you.

And they'll get the same rude shock most peoples did.

Someone once called the English a "nation of shop keepers." It was supposed to be an insult. But what do shop keepers do? Work hard, be friendly, and keep the place clean.

I know who I'll bet on in any clash of cultures. They really don't stand a chance - and they know it.
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