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Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 11:44:29 AM »
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"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016, 08:54:12 PM »
:hands: :hands: :hands:  :thumbsup3:
And All Day I have been worrying that when I got here, you would be reaming me a new one!

I am just so tired of seeing how people Accept Infringements .. as long as no one calls them Infringements!

I am afraid that we are now living in a media 'controlled' environment and that the majority are too busy or too stupid to care! 

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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2016, 11:28:26 PM »
Actually, the existence of Letters of Marque in the Constitution precluded any limit on weapons since those involved ships of war that carried cannons and explosives aka the WMD of that era.

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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2016, 02:49:01 AM »
Hmmmm. Actually, only one of those I didn't know, because I never thought about interest balancing with what I considered an absolute and unalienable Right.
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 04:59:01 AM »
I am just so tired of seeing how people Accept Infringements .. as long as no one calls them Infringements!



"Hush now, we don't use that word round these parts, we say that we are well-regulating the militia. Bless their hearts."

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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2016, 01:41:07 PM »
Posted a link back to this conversation in The Repository.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,149285.0.html
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2016, 04:29:45 PM »
I just read where Obama has done such a fine job of selling the second amendment, gun sales are up 214% since 2007.
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2016, 06:54:03 PM »
This part I've always taken disagreement to based on Federalist 43.   What they meant by Militia was a standing army. But, it doesn't mean a standing army has the right to bear arms, what it means is BECAUSE a free state needs a standing army, the people shall have the right to bear arms (per Fed 43 - so as they will never be oppressed or subjected by the standing army).

Personal opinion is this is very important because if the government is allowed to define every citizen as a militia, then the government, per Article 1, Section 8, can conscript any and all citizens and regulate their activity.

Just my 2c... I'm probably doing my usual splitting hairs over wording.
In A dictionary I have of the English language ca 1814 (Barclay's), the word "Militia" is defined as "the army, in its entirety". I believe your interpretation is correct. For a free state to be secure, it must have a well trained (regulated: "controlled") army, but at the same time that army must be controlled (in alignment with the thought that the People are the source of legitimate power) by the People. In order for that to be, the People must be armed, so no infringement should be allowed to their right to keep and bear arms. The concept was that the bulk of the people, even without martial training, would be enough to resist any standing Federal Army, thus securing their Liberty should such an attempt be made on it. The deterrent effect, imho, given parity of private arms with those of the average soldier should be sufficient.

Which puts the NFA of 1934 squarely in the "infringement" category, as is every restriction on the acquisition and ownership of arms since.
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
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Re: Nine things you didn't know about the Second Amendment
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2016, 12:40:32 PM »
Someone else referenced The Federalist .  This is important; in several essays they make it plain the clear differences between a MILITIA, as opposed to a STANDING ARMY.

A standing army was a threat to freedom.  And no one thought there was any need to insure a standing army has the right to keep and bear arms.

The MILITIA, was the irregular citizen-soldier;  a volunteer in time of need.  By "well-regulated" the Framers meant drilled and trained; with a clear chain of command and understanding of duties.  In any event, while the need for one is referenced, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not limited to those with militia membership.

It is a universal right (UNLIKE voting) which MAY NOT BE INFRINGED.
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