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Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« on: January 09, 2014, 04:21:07 PM »

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 04:37:59 PM »
Tell them to bring the fight.  I will make sure I vote third party if their candidates win the primary.  The "big business community" needs to understand the consequences of their action.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 04:41:33 PM »
Tell them to bring the fight.  I will make sure I vote third party if their candidates win the primary.  The "big business community" needs to understand the consequences of their action.

I agree.   I posted an article here around Christmas time about the Chamber has been heavily donating to Democratic candidates of late.  Republicans wrongly assume they are a Republican group, they are not.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 05:24:38 PM »
Wait until the chamber explains to voters, that they represent the companies that employ people, and see how that angle plays out.

The chamber isn't some "johhny come lately" player in politics. They are supported by member-employers, and the member-employers sign paychecks.

The chamber advocates for a strong economy, low taxes, less regulation, etc. And they collect money from member firms, to use in campaigns.

At the most fundamental level, the Tea Party can claim to represent some nice soundbite phrases. But at the paycheck and bank account level, a lot of folks may question what they are doing.

And don't forget for a minute that each major TP organization has people at the top, getting commissions for funds raised, and for ads placed.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 05:31:49 PM »
Wait until the chamber explains to voters, that they represent the companies that employ people, and see how that angle plays out.


You do know - I assume - why this has become so important to the Chamber of late.  None other than the way Obamacare is written.  If the companies hire illegals they are exempt from paying the fines to the government for not providing healthcare they are beholden to pay for American citizen workers.  This amounts to a lot of money. 

But... if these employers are so flush and have so many unfilled jobs - then this shores up my reasoning for cutting off long term unemployment benefits as we are paying Americans not to work so we can import Mexicans to work.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 05:38:41 PM »
Tell them to bring the fight.  I will make sure I vote third party if their candidates win the primary.  The "big business community" needs to understand the consequences of their action.

In other words, if you don't get your way you're going to take your ball and go home.  You might as well vote democrat in that event because voting third party is tantamount to that.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 05:41:53 PM »
You do know - I assume - why this has become so important to the Chamber of late.  None other than the way Obamacare is written.  If the companies hire illegals they are exempt from paying the fines to the government for not providing healthcare they are beholden to pay for American citizen workers.  This amounts to a lot of money. 

But... if these employers are so flush and have so many unfilled jobs - then this shores up my reasoning for cutting off long term unemployment benefits as we are paying Americans not to work so we can import Mexicans to work.

I have put all of my reps on notice that any vote for anything that looks like amnesty will be the end for them if I have my way and I'm far from alone in having done so!

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2014, 05:47:38 PM »
You do know - I assume - why this has become so important to the Chamber of late.  None other than the way Obamacare is written.  If the companies hire illegals they are exempt from paying the fines to the government for not providing healthcare they are beholden to pay for American citizen workers.  This amounts to a lot of money. 

But... if these employers are so flush and have so many unfilled jobs - then this shores up my reasoning for cutting off long term unemployment benefits as we are paying Americans not to work so we can import Mexicans to work.
The chamber has been raising campaign money from long before anybody heard of the TP. The TP has overshot their zone of competence.

They cannot claim to have helped businesses or employees. Just soundbite phrases since 2010. And inconsistent at that, since they rested during 2012.

An employer in a community wants a reliable, experienced candidate who takes on their issues, in a manner that helps them.

Too many of the TP people come across as unpredictable, inexperienced, etc.

No Republicans have voted for Obamacare. That is a record which reassures employers to steer clear of untested, wildeyed newcomers, which is how some TP people have proved to be.

And these employers know the Tea Party isn't some saintly effort. As I stated, but you avoided, at the top are people who take commissions for funds raised, and ads placed.......JUST LIKE Karl Rove does.

Threats of 3rd party, remind us of Eternal Vigilance. He's running for Governor now, as omg a Republican !!!!

Some of the whackos have even figured out the 3rd party fallacy. Some haven't.

If I can't be pitcher, I won't play.  If I can't have the promotion, I won't come to work. Juvenile. Ineffective.


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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 06:01:19 PM »
You do know - I assume - why this has become so important to the Chamber of late.  None other than the way Obamacare is written.  If the companies hire illegals they are exempt from paying the fines to the government for not providing healthcare they are beholden to pay for American citizen workers.  This amounts to a lot of money. 

But... if these employers are so flush and have so many unfilled jobs - then this shores up my reasoning for cutting off long term unemployment benefits as we are paying Americans not to work so we can import Mexicans to work.


Hmmm, but the penalties, including the possibility of prosecution for a federal felony, don't bother these same employers one bit?  You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2014, 06:01:53 PM »
The Chamber doesn't support the TP because they know the TP stands for stopping the crazy spending in DC - which means cutting off all the wild spending in DC... This is why they are increasingly funding Democrats... just like the unions they love the crony spending.   

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2014, 06:28:20 PM »
The Chamber doesn't support the TP because they know the TP stands for stopping the crazy spending in DC - which means cutting off all the wild spending in DC... This is why they are increasingly funding Democrats... just like the unions they love the crony spending.   
The Tea Parties, pitted against the Chambers of Commerce, will come out behind.

Boeing is probably the largest employer in my town. And a member of the Chamber.

They can play in the big leagues. Their employees will pick their families' wellbeing, and careers, over some soundbite jingles for 2 election cycles, and some goofy characters.

The TP message has become blurred. In part it has been highjacked by social conservatives, and now veers into the area of demonizing employers of voters.

Good luck with that genius strategy.
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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2014, 09:08:10 PM »
You certainly are hung up on social conservatives.  There is no proof except in your mind the tea party has been co-opted by social conservatives.   Also the chamber may have the money - but they cannot force people to get up and go vote for their candidates.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2014, 09:08:51 PM »
Oh BTW did you know the former head of the Chamber of Commerce is now a partner with Karl Rove.

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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2014, 12:46:02 AM »
Oh BTW did you know the former head of the Chamber of Commerce is now a partner with Karl Rove.
That is great. Money and political experience and skill should be helpful in electing candidates that will be good for America and for conservatism in general.

My own representative is a solid conservative, and has chosen to not formally align himself with the Tea Party.

He will, along with many other Republicans not aligned with the Tea Party, gather support from many Reagan conservative Republicans.

As I stated, the Chamber of Commerce is comprised of many businesses, who in turn employ many voters.

Institutions such as the Chamber have been instrumental in American politics, and electing Republicans.
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Re: Chamber of Commerce to oppose tea party in primaries
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2014, 07:55:54 AM »
In other words, if you don't get your way you're going to take your ball and go home.  You might as well vote democrat in that event because voting third party is tantamount to that.

No, what it means is that I will vote my principles and ideology.  And, I will not cry or whine because the "lesser of two evils" got pummeled in an election.


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