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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/us/colorado-plane-crash/

Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
By Alan Duke, CNN
updated 4:43 PM EST, Sun January 5, 2014

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Plane crash at Aspen airport

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    NEW: Two people are transported to a hospital with injuries, a spokesman says
    Crashed jet was a Bombardier Challenger 600 coming from Tucson, Arizona
    LeAnn Rimes tweets: "So sad! Horrible plane crash we just saw happen at the Aspen airport"

(CNN) -- At least one person died when a small plane crashed while trying to land at the Aspen, Colorado, airport Sunday, said Alex Burchetta with the Pitkin County Sheriff's Office.

Two other people were transported to the hospital with "moderate to severe injuries," he said.

Photos posted on Twitter showed the plane upside down on the tarmac, its fuselage charred.

Two celebrities, who were at the small airport in the Aspen ski resort area, posted Twitter messages saying they witnessed the crash.

"So sad! Horrible plane crash we just saw happen at the Aspen airport," singer LeAnn Rimes tweeted.

Comedian Kevin Nealon tweeted: "Horrible plane crash here at Aspen airport. Exploded into flames as it was landing. I think it was a private jet. Fire truck and ambulances were on the scene within minutes."

FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer said the twin-engine jet was a Bombardier Challenger 600 that was coming from Tucson, Arizona.

The Aspen airport is known as a challenging place for pilots to land because of the mountains that surround the runway. The airport tarmac is often filled with private planes owned or chartered by the wealthy and famous who own vacation homes in the mountain resort community.

"Airport is closed now," Nealon tweeted. "I think I'll drive back to LA after seeing that."

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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 04:52:44 PM »




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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 04:53:56 PM »


Aircraft is reported to be N115WF



It is registered to the Bank of Utah, which tells us nothing.  It was granted its original certificate of air worthiness on 5-26-2000.

Edit: Rap beat me with the picture.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2014, 04:55:49 PM by Atomic Cow »
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 06:05:48 PM »
Is that the airport that is supposed to be one of the worst into which to fly? Can't remember whether it's Aspen or Vail, but one of them is treachorous as heck.
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 06:13:43 PM »
Is that the airport that is supposed to be one of the worst into which to fly? Can't remember whether it's Aspen or Vail, but one of them is treacherous as heck.

You're probably thinking of Vail, which is notorious for being very difficult for both landings and takeoffs.

Aspen isn't much better, but it doesn't get nearly as much traffic as Vail.  Both have had a good number of crashes by smaller aircraft.  Don't think either have had a commercial crash, thankfully.
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 08:54:34 PM »
One of my Colorado friends said the med-evac chopper flying with the critically injured from Aspen Valley Hospital to St. Mary's flew over his house about three hours ago, and any time they come up and over the West Elks and the Raggeds, instead of flying the I-70/Grand Mesa Corridor, it's REALLY bad, but it saves them 15-20 minutes so they take it - even in windy weather like today.

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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 09:01:39 PM »
The fatality is a member of the flight crew.  Most likely the critical injury is the other pilot.
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 09:37:39 PM »
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 10:09:18 PM »
The flight originated in Mexico and then stopped in Tucson. 

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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 10:19:36 PM »
The flight originated in Mexico and then stopped in Tucson.

Since there were not any passengers on board, they were probably flying in to pick up someone(s).
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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 08:32:09 PM »
A pilot and former military pilot and accident investigator had this to say about the crash:"

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I listened to the radio chatter before/during/after the Class A and then did a little route/destination study.....maybe it's the accident investigator  inside me.

Aspen is a very sporty (some may translate that as hazardous/dangerous) field to fly into for a number of reasons:

1...There is only one way in & out due to mountainous terrain everywhere. Aircraft normally land to the southeast on RWY 15 and takeoff to the northwest on RWY 33.

2...The instrument approach used is the "Localizer E" approach which tells you that you have great centerline to the runway guidance but the 'E' means it is a 'Circling' approach. In circling approaches you generally are quite a bit higher at minimums than a regular instrument approach thereby allowing you to circle safely to another runway if needed.

3...If you are flying the 'Loc E' approach at Aspen to land on RWY 15 (and not circle) which is what they were trying to do, your glidepath from the Missed Approach Point(MAP) to the touchdown zone has to be very steep....In fact you could easily be put on a glidepath of from 6.59 degrees to as much as 9 or even 10 degrees if you start descent at the MAP...for reference the VGSI (Visual Glideslope Indicator) there is set at 3.5 degrees...... You will probably land long because you will be STEEP!

4...The Runway elevation is roughly 8k'--- Due to the difference between True Airspeed (KTAS) & Indicated Airspeed (KIAS) an RJ Challenger 600 aircraft would be traveling about 30 knots faster than their instruments indicate due to the elevation alone......You will be FAST!

5...The mishap pilot went 'Missed Approach' being unable to land safely on the previous approach to the mishap reporting 30 knots of tailwind which would add 30 knots to your already fast speed. WX.com said the tailwind may have actually been 35 knots Please note that your landing distance is proportional to the square of your speed so being on speed is far more important than landing on brick one of the runway......You are now VERY FAST!

6...The Runway length is roughly 8k'---This is a pretty standard length but it can effectively seem much shorter if there is anything but a dry runway...to give perspective: the Runway Condition Reading (RCR) is a way of giving a number to braking efficiency and the runway condition.
RCR 23==Dry
RCR 12==Wet (about twice the runway needed)
RCR 5===Icy (4-5 times the runway needed)
Runway 15 does have a 1.9 degree upslope which will help you slow down some but still
With any RCR less than 23 (Note: In a video of the crash response crew the runway looked to be icy)......Your BRAKES Won't Work as Well!

7....From listening to the com you can hear the nervousness and lack of confidence in the mishap pilot's voice. The pilot's 'Pucker Factor' was very high!

So let's summarize:

--The mishap aircraft was VERY STEEP.
--The mishap aircraft was as much as 75 mph fast, which was VERY VERY FAST.
--The RCR was probably poor.
--The mishap pilot's a$$ was eating his seat cushion.
--Very steep, very fast, landing long with bad braking and a nervous uncertain pilot in bad weather at an unfamiliar hazardous strange field.

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Re: Jet crashes on landing at Aspen, Colorado, airport, killing 1
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »
Came in from the north-west, wicked tailwind, too steep and  too fast....

Here's the airport video of the incident...

vimeo.com/84713706


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